2nd hand warn m8000 synthetic rope

[new2zukes]

hi ive just bought a warn m8000 on trademe and was wondering how much synthetic rope i can fit on there and what type to use. it is only pulling a suzuki samurai so not that much weight. and where is the cheapest place to get it from as budget is not at the max.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =179181149

[albundy]

These winches have a drum brake and can get real hot under load. I was advised not to run it on this type of winch.
Al

[DieselBoy]

Its fairly safe to say that 99% of low mount winches have "in the drum brakes".

And its also fairly safe to say that 99% of low mount winches have a free spool.

The "in the drum" brake works to stop the drum from unspooling when you stop winching. The brake does not come into play while you are actually winching.

Seeing as the brake works to stop the drum from unspooling, it also means that if you are trying to "power the cable out" you are haveing to over ride the brake, i.e the brake is "on" and you have to power over its braking force in order to be able to "power out".

The above "powering out" therefore creates incredible heat in the drum.

That is why winches have a free spool. It alows you to unspool the cable with out having to drive over the brake and create excessive heat in the drum.


Therefore, plasma type cable is perfectly fine on a low mount M8000 provided you use the free spool to run the cable from the winch to your winch point. Small amounts of powering the cable out is perfectly fine.

Wopass and I are running Over Braided Dynex Dux (off hand thats what it is i think), its around the $300 mark for 30m and its THE GOOD SHIT!!!!!!!

[wopass]

Wopass and I are running Over Braided Dynex Dux (off hand thats what it is i think), its around the $300 mark for 30m and its THE GOOD SHIT!!!!!!!

what he said

the Dynex Dux overbraid is the best you can get and if you get it off the right people its not that expensive, as mentioned, the 30.5m set factory lenght,factory spliced loop with over braid right up to the S/S thimble is $305ish dollars inc gst and freight from memory.

[rangimotors]

Its fairly safe to say that 99% of low mount winches have "in the drum brakes".

And its also fairly safe to say that 99% of low mount winches have a free spool.

The "in the drum" brake works to stop the drum from unspooling when you stop winching. The brake does not come into play while you are actually winching.

Seeing as the brake works to stop the drum from unspooling, it also means that if you are trying to "power the cable out" you are haveing to over ride the brake, i.e the brake is "on" and you have to power over its braking force in order to be able to "power out".

The above "powering out" therefore creates incredible heat in the drum.

That is why winches have a free spool. It alows you to unspool the cable with out having to drive over the brake and create excessive heat in the drum.


Therefore, plasma type cable is perfectly fine on a low mount M8000 provided you use the free spool to run the cable from the winch to your winch point. Small amounts of powering the cable out is perfectly fine.

Wopass and I are running Over Braided Dynex Dux (off hand thats what it is i think), its around the $300 mark for 30m and its THE GOOD SHIT!!!!!!!

What happens if you are winching down a steep hill or bank? Do you get the problems with heat build up?

[NJV6]

What happens if you are winching down a steep hill or bank? Do you get the problems with heat build up?

Was written in the text.

The above "powering out" therefore creates incredible heat in the drum.

Turn your vehicle around and drive it

[wjw]

Turn your vehicle around and drive it

Or get lowered down

[wopass]

Also another advantage of the overbraid rope, because of the over braid the inner rope which is the working rope doesnt get the heat as the overbraid protects it from that and everything else

[new2zukes]

that sounds like the right stuff and thanks for the info it clears things up a bit. but you said

what he said

the Dynex Dux overbraid is the best you can get and if you get it off the right people its not that expensive, as mentioned, the 30.5m set factory lenght,factory spliced loop with over braid right up to the S/S thimble is $305ish dollars inc gst and freight from memory.

do you know the right people to get this stuff off at the right price. ive looked onn 4wd bits and they are like $450 for 30 meters.
cheeers

martin

[TJ]

Its fairly safe to say that 99% of low mount winches have "in the drum brakes".

Superwinch EP9 and EPi9 as well as Come-up winches do not have "in the drum brakes". I guess according to your above statement there combined market share would be 1% max!

In fact, Superwinch has this year released EPi9 with synthetic rope from factory! They could not do that with the liability issues if it was not considered safe enough.

Not wanting to start a war here, just spreading some information.

[Ralfie]

In fact, Superwinch has this year released EPi9 with synthetic rope from factory! They could not do that with the liability issues if it was not considered safe enough.

Warn USA has had synthetic rope options for several years now. Originally the first layer of rope on the drum had special treatment or covering to avoid issues with heat.

[TJ]

In fact, Superwinch has this year released EPi9 with synthetic rope from factory! They could not do that with the liability issues if it was not considered safe enough.

Warn USA has had synthetic rope options for several years now. Originally the first layer of rope on the drum had special treatment or covering to avoid issues with heat.

True, and on top of that Warn has "in the drum" brake system. In reality for most/average users the brake would not cause a problem with modern synthetic ropes. Particularly with some of the higher end synthetic ropes (technology is changing so quickly).

[NJV6]

Its fairly safe to say that 99% of low mount winches have "in the drum brakes".

Superwinch EP9 and EPi9 as well as Come-up winches do not have "in the drum brakes". I guess according to your above statement there combined market share would be 1% max!

In fact, Superwinch has this year released EPi9 with synthetic rope from factory! They could not do that with the liability issues if it was not considered safe enough.

Not wanting to start a war here, just spreading some information.

Considering both those winches are only a couple of years old, I'd say his guess isn't far wrong!

But I guess someone had to be picky.

[DieselBoy]

that sounds like the right stuff and thanks for the info it clears things up a bit. but you said

what he said

the Dynex Dux overbraid is the best you can get and if you get it off the right people its not that expensive, as mentioned, the 30.5m set factory lenght,factory spliced loop with over braid right up to the S/S thimble is $305ish dollars inc gst and freight from memory.

do you know the right people to get this stuff off at the right price. ive looked onn 4wd bits and they are like $450 for 30 meters.
cheeers

martin

PM Wopass

[darinz]

In fact, Superwinch has this year released EPi9 with synthetic rope from factory! They could not do that with the liability issues if it was not considered safe enough.

Warn USA has had synthetic rope options for several years now. Originally the first layer of rope on the drum had special treatment or covering to avoid issues with heat.

True, and on top of that Warn has "in the drum" brake system. In reality for most/average users the brake would not cause a problem with modern synthetic ropes. Particularly with some of the higher end synthetic ropes (technology is changing so quickly).

Basically all synthetic rope marketed as being suitable for winches in Dyneema SK75. It is all made in the same factory to the same spec blah, blah blah,

This includes, Dynamica, Amsteel blue, Dynex (all, single and double braid) and basically all the others brand available. There are some other fibres that are as strong but they stretch to much to be safe on a winch. A few things are done to increase the strength of SK75.
One is prestretching. Great for the marketing but in reality the same happens when you first use it so as long as you don't got to max load the first few times you use it, it happens anyway.
You can get an over braid put on any rope you wish. A company in Auckland called Braid Makers can do it and it isn't very dear. Most over braid is polyester so can be done in any colour you wish. They can do a Kevlar over braid if you want to pay for it. (Kevlar isn't as strong as SK75 but resists abrasion better)

[wopass]

Basically all synthetic rope marketed as being suitable for winches in Dyneema SK75. It is all made in the same factory to the same spec blah, blah blah,

This includes, Dynamica, Amsteel blue, Dynex (all, single and double braid) and basically all the others brand available. There are some other fibres that are as strong but they stretch to much to be safe on a winch. A few things are done to increase the strength of SK75.
One is prestretching. Great for the marketing but in reality the same happens when you first use it so as long as you don't got to max load the first few times you use it, it happens anyway.
You can get an over braid put on any rope you wish. A company in Auckland called Braid Makers can do it and it isn't very dear. Most over braid is polyester so can be done in any colour you wish. They can do a Kevlar over braid if you want to pay for it. (Kevlar isn't as strong as SK75 but resists abrasion better)

or you can just buy the Dynex Dux that has been stretched,coated,overbraided in controlled form perfectly from the factory for a good price and not have to shag around

[muddy]

or you can just buy the Dynex Dux that has been stretched,coated,overbraided in controlled form perfectly from the factory for a good price and not have to shag around

What he said!

30m of 7mm/8.6mm overbraid for around $300 is hard to beat. Mine arrived today - 2 days after ordering. Apparently there are only a few lengths left at this price, as the next container load will reflect the crash in the NZ dollar.

[wopass]

good sevice eh mate !

you like the product ?

[muddy]

Fantastic service. Incredibly helpful - I must have spent half an hour on the phone getting prices for several different combinations of weight and length, overbraid or not. She was very patient and friendly, then threw in free freight and an extra discount because she couldn't supply exactly what I wanted. Very happy with the service and the product! I can't wait to get out and use it. We now need a bit of practice with a spade ground anchor before the Hanmer Winch Challenge since we've only used a pin & plate with the wire cable.

[new2zukes]

well i called about the overbraided rope today and will end up being just under $300 she was very helpfull considdering she was in the middle of the supermarket and said that wopass had told alot off people (cheers) unfortunately my winch has not arrived yet and has been a week since the person selling has sent it. i really hope it actually get here or il have nowhere to put that overbraided rope.

[wopass]

sounds like you guys are getting a better deal than i got !...