Hilux/Surf questions.

[haydgq]

Hi guys,

Hey im after a bit of help with my truck, so far its a single cab 65 series hilux cab on a surf 130 chassis with a Prado solid front end and im trying to find out exactly how much wider the surf rear is compared to the Prado front as i want to buy the correct width spacers from Jafa for the front hubs, Im not using IFS hubs just the standard Prado setup so would prefer the easy way of just bolting on a pair of spacers. ( Hosehustler etc should be able to help hopefully).

And also Ive got the standard Aisn FWH that came on the original 87 hilux I started with and would like to use on my Prado front that had the standard elec hubs, Jaffa has so kindly stated he can probably make some spacers for this.? Now Ive heard going the spacer way is weak etc but just for a club truck would this setup be strong enough, But I do have the standard 87 hilux hubs I could bolt onto the Prado diff but can I still use the stronger Prado cv,s etc if going this way.?? Ive also heard the 106 series hilux hubs work and can utilize the Prado cv,s

Any help guys would be appreciated.

Hayden.

[Bulletproof]

Hi guys,

Hey im after a bit of help with my truck, so far its a single cab 65 series hilux cab on a surf 130 chassis with a Prado solid front end and im trying to find out exactly how much wider the surf rear is compared to the Prado front as i want to buy the correct width spacers from Jafa for the front hubs, Im not using IFS hubs just the standard Prado setup so would prefer the easy way of just bolting on a pair of spacers. ( Hosehustler etc should be able to help hopefully).

And also Ive got the standard Aisn FWH that came on the original 87 hilux I started with and would like to use on my Prado front that had the standard elec hubs, Jaffa has so kindly stated he can probably make some spacers for this.? Now Ive heard going the spacer way is weak etc but just for a club truck would this setup be strong enough, But I do have the standard 87 hilux hubs I could bolt onto the Prado diff but can I still use the stronger Prado cv,s etc if going this way.?? Ive also heard the 106 series hilux hubs work and can utilize the Prado cv,s

Any help guys would be appreciated.

Hayden.

Forget about the spacers as they only shear bolts . Ask Bill. Fit the hilux stubs and manual hubs.

I think the surf is 30mm wider per side so the 25 spacers would be good.
I stand to be corrected.

Cheers Richard

[hosehustler]

Jafa's spacers/adapers aren't those silly free wheeling hub spacers, nor are they wheel spacers (although he does sell these, but I think LVC rules allow a maximum of 20mm), Jafa's adapters allow for the use of an IFS front hub, that will mean the Prado rotors and callipers will be used, IFS hubs from the Surf, you will still need stub axles wheel bearings and seals from a beam axle hilux, and a set of Hilux 30 spline FWH's will then fit, front end is effectively widened 35mm per side (70mm total), to match the rear
This is a great way of easily widening the front end to match the rear, it's certfiable, and trail proven.

Here's an IFS hub compared to Beam axle (prado different at FWH end as they have the electric hubs, but same length hub), notice how much wider the IFS off set is


And this is the rotor spacer/adaptor, allows for the difference between IFS rotor stud pattern to Prado/LN106 rotor pattern and also allows for the rotor to realligned to the beam axle calliper

[MATT4U]

there are two ways to do the wide axel. personally I rather the non spacer way, cheeper and pushes the disk closer to the wheel

http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=3543

[haydgq]

Hey Thanks heaps to all that posted its really appreciated and its helped me alot.

Im not at that point yet with the Lux but just wanted a heads up before reaching that part of the build, Actually one question are the ln106 solid front hilux hubs any wider than the older 65 lux,s or the solid front Prado etc.? And do the stronger prado Cv,s work with the IFS hubs etc.

Cheers for the help as im learning sh#t loads.

[hosehustler]

all solid axle hilux's are same width hubs, only differance is vented rotors=wider callipers, prado's have same width in hubs but are different on outer end as electric fwh's, all use the same bearings, IFS seal needs to be replaced with a STD hilux seal as the inner part that seals on the stub axle is larger in diameter on the IFS (about 5mm) so lets in all the shit to your bearings, the outer size is the same so they fit straight in to the IFS hub.
prado cv's work fine in the ifs hubs and hilux or 70 series stub axles, but cannot be fitted to the hilux front axle housing as they are too large in diameter around the bell part.

[haydgq]

Hi guys,

Cheers for all the help with these issues and I have decided on using Jaffa,s spacer/adapter kit for the front end.

I have a few more questions hopefully someone can answer for me, Its relating to the rear disk conversion and what master cylinder to use as a upgrade, We will be setting up the arse end using Prado 78 series rear disks and the Mr2 calipers that i have.

Now I want to know if the standard Hilux master cylinder will be sufficient to use on a 4 wheel disk setup as its the standard one out of the 87 Hilux with the mighty 3Y engine, And if upgrading are there differences between diff master cylinders that for example came on petrol or diesel cruisers, Ive read the 80 series cruiser or a prado one is good as it has a built in proportional valve.? And I have excess to a diesel 78 Prado,s Brake master cylinder im keen to find out if its suitable.

Cheers for any help its appreciated like allways.

Hayden

[haynzy]

When are you makin up your caliper brackets as I would be keen on a set 2 as am doin exactly the same conversion

[haydgq]

When are you makin up your caliper brackets as I would be keen on a set 2 as am doin exactly the same conversion

Hey there Haynzy, I allready had the brackets they came from a guy who was doing the same conversion but they dont line up 100% anyway so wil need to be altered.

Ive phoned a few of the LVVC cert guys about using a Hydraulic handbrake setup similar to what the drift guys use but its only legal on a competition car not a road legal machine so thats out of the question, It just would of made the handbrake a little easier to setup with the calipers etc.

Hayden

[shortylux]

If you want you can get a transmisson brake certed. that way you dont have to deal with the rear disc brake hand brake cable problem. I have put an allpro offroad one on mine. not certed yet cause the trucks not finished but other guys have them certed and the engineer has looked at mine and said that it can be certed.

Hope that helps.

P.S if you are not going with the front ifs hub conversion you can get up to 27mm wheel spacers certed.

Arron.

[haydgq]

If you want you can get a transmisson brake certed. that way you dont have to deal with the rear disc brake hand brake cable problem. I have put an allpro offroad one on mine. not certed yet cause the trucks not finished but other guys have them certed and the engineer has looked at mine and said that it can be certed.

Hope that helps.

P.S if you are not going with the front ifs hub conversion you can get up to 27mm wheel spacers certed.

Arron.

Cheers Shortylux,

But i think ill go the caliper handbrake route as i now have most of the bits needed etc, And cheers for the info on the spacers.!!

Hayden