Asia Rocstar?

Gaz_n_Paj · Post by **Gaz_n_Paj** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:31 pm

Anyone able to shed some light on these vehicles? I've surfed Google but not much on them

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 863664.htm

Cheers

mroffroader · Post by **mroffroader** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:39 pm

At a guess id say it would be slow, and hard to get parts for. Stick with something more common or it will bite you in the ass later down the track :wink:

my worthless 2c :lol:

lilpigzuk · Post by **lilpigzuk** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:45 pm

mroffroader wrote:

my worthless 2c

that I agree to :lol:

Had one in our club for awhile, rechassied with crusier runnning gear, assume it was KIA that bought them in briefly

wopass · Post by **wopass** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:56 pm

ohh my god thats ugly!!!

maybe a cool car for a gay hairdresser?

:lol:

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 5:24 am

wopass wrote:ohh my god thats ugly!!!

maybe a cool car for a gay hairdresser?

didnt know rex was after another truck

Fen · Post by **Fen** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:25 am

Google Asia Rocsta without the r on the end - it is spelled wrong on TM

Gaz_n_Paj · Post by **Gaz_n_Paj** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:00 pm

Yea I googled it spelt correctly, was just hoping someone had one and could give further info.

I'm neither gay or a hairdresser, I just want a Jeep and due to finances this fits in my budget

PR · Post by PR » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:28 pm

This would be in comparrision to the Mitsi Pajero IO in relation to a prorer Pajero :lol:

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:04 pm

but way uglier

what sort of motor does it have and how easy are spares to get for it????

xj · Post by xj » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:41 pm

Gaz_n_Paj wrote:I just want a Jeep and due to finances this fits in my budget

So if ya want a Jeep, why are you looking at this mutant mess? It aint no Jeep.

Actually, i'm biting back the vitriole thats welling up in relation to anyone even having the audacity to advertise this retarded red-headed stepchild of a mistake as a "Jeep"........

Pills.... pills.... wheres me pills..................................................

coxsy · Post by **coxsy** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:26 am

engine 2.2 4cly diesel

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:15 pm

http://www.difflock.com/buyersguide/pas ... ndex.shtml

Hmmm early mazda diesel 2.2 ..... not known for their reliability,

civilian derivative of the Korean Army's standard 1/4-ton light utility, itself derived from the Jeep CJ-5 which was last built in 1982

the fake windscreen hinges -are purely designed for the sake of appearances

http://www.4wdonline.com/Kia/Rocsta.html

Yeah, they weren't very popular.

A couple of guys on the Jeep forum bought one as play toys, and found the
quality to be pretty shitful. Gneral concensus is that they're unreliable,
hard to get bits for and fall apart quickly as you say.

You can tell because it has the
7-slot grille, which is a trademark and can't be copies by other brands.
The Rocstas have 6-slot grilles.

They are buckets of unreliable shit with a tendency to shed small parts.

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:17 pm

So if ya want a Jeep, why are you looking at this mutant mess? It aint no Jeep.

Technically it is, as its a licenced copy of the CJ5 :lol:

TJ · Post by TJ » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:39 pm

Jerry wrote:
So if ya want a Jeep, why are you looking at this mutant mess? It aint no Jeep.

Technically it is, as its a licenced copy of the CJ5

So Jerry, does that mean technically Land Rovers and Land Cruisers are Jeeps as well since they were based on licensed and borrowed products and ideas from Willy's and early Jeeps...... :lol:

Not starting a flame war, but lets not forget the history either.

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:42 pm

so where do SUZUKI Jeeps and MAHINDRA Jeeps fit in :lol:

(and Barbie jeeps

)

TJ · Post by TJ » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:49 pm

Jerry wrote:so where do SUZUKI Jeeps and MAHINDRA Jeeps fit in (and Barbie jeeps )

They all lead to the same jeep Adam..... . Willy's (the original, the one that started the whole thing, the one that played a big part in us not speaking German or Japanese now).

xj · Post by xj » Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:37 pm

Re: Asia Rocstar?
Postby Jerry on Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:17 pm
Technically it is, as its a licenced copy of the CJ5

Wrong.
Show me how its a licenced copy of a CJ5 Jerry? Gime some documentation.

Actually Jerry, based on your comment i doubt that youve ever even seen a CJ5.... if you had have you would never have been able to come to that conclusion.

Jerry, the Mahindra were produced under licence, as were the Mitsi version (neither were copies of the cj5 either), therefore they have (begrudgingly i admit) some right to bear the Jeep name, and hence they share some of the same parts .... everyone that wants to call their Zuk a Jeep is dreaming, as Suzuki have utterly nothing to do with, and never have had anything to do with anything from any of the JEEP models. The rockstar IS NOT A LICENCED COPY... but was BASED ON/DERIVED FROM the CJ5... for appearances only, and even then they fuked it up.

CJ5

Roksta

Note the rear guard shape, the front guard detail, the bonnet latch detail on the rocksta, the proportional distance of bonnet and body ratio, the shape of the doors, the angle and height of the windscreen......... ill let you spot all the rest of the differences.

A mere attempted rip off.... and nothing more. There is talk of them using the M38A1 templates, but if they have they obviously altered them, as rip off artists do, to avoid issues of theft.

The track with and wheel base dimensions are different also, not one single part is shared.

Do i need to carry on?

Bubba · Post by **Bubba** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:18 pm

Touchy subject!!! Oh and by the way the fj was never a rip-off etc of the jeep, that is a urban myth

TJ · Post by TJ » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:28 pm

I have just done a bit of research on Jerry's claim, its actually a Kia Rocksta (which kind of evolved into Kia Retona). These are based on Korean army vehicles. Nothing has come so far on the net to suggest it was ever licensed from Jeep. In fact, a lot of the parts are actually "influenced" from Fords (which last time I checked was not Jeep's licence granter for CJ5s).

As for Mitsi and Mahindra ones, they were licenced CJ-3B (introduced in 1953) variants. These were not based on much later and more refined CJ5s (introduced in 1954).

As to Suzukis, the denomination of SJ stands for Suzuki Jimny series (which included many variants over the years. It was introduced roughly in the 80s, so could never have anything to do with the original Willy's (or could it be that it takes Suzuki engineers 40 years to work out the technology that Toyota and LandRover did in 5-10 years)...... :wink:

To the OP, if you want it as a hack or toy, it would be modified after acquisition anyway so it does not matter.

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:32 pm

the dog and lemon guide didn't write anything nice about it

http://dogandlemon.com/media/General%20 ... eviews.pdf

(scroll down to the next page)

xj · Post by xj » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:36 pm

Bubba wrote:Touchy subject!!! Oh and by the way the fj was never a rip-off etc of the jeep, that is a urban myth

No bubba, not touchy at all. Just feel the need to correct comments from people who know utterly nothing about what they are talking about. Seems a recurring theme with some folks who should just stfu.

Youre quite right, the FJ never was a rip-off, Mr Toyoda was an onto it character who just happened to have a similar idea for a vehicle. We just like to claim it as being a Fake Jeep to protect our fragile sensibilities as in many ways the FJs were a superior vehicle to the Jeeps of the same time.

TJ · Post by TJ » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:38 pm

Bubba wrote:Touchy subject!!! Oh and by the way the fj was never a rip-off etc of the jeep, that is a urban myth

The earlier AKs and BJs were. So it took Toyota a few years to incorporate earlier lessons in FJs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser#1950-1959 :wink:

Its a subject better left alone. There is a reason why this forum is "offroadexpress", not "jeep" or "suzuki" or "toyota" offroad forum!!!!

TJ · Post by TJ » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:42 pm

A good history article on Toyota LandCruisers: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/12/23/188916.html

To be honest, if I couldn't buy a Wrangler the only other option for me would have been a FJ40.

xj · Post by xj » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:09 pm

Back to the Roksta.............................................. it seems the general concensus is that it is best kept away from.

wopass · Post by **wopass** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:00 pm

Bubba wrote:Touchy subject!!! Oh and by the way the fj was never a rip-off etc of the jeep, that is a urban myth

In 1950, the U.S. military filed a special procurement order for 1000 4wd
vehicles to be used in the Korean War. Toyota responded with a prototype of
the Model BJ on August 1, 1951. The vehicle was named the "Toyota Jeep"
Fortunately, the right to the "Jeep" name was owned by Willys who forced
Toyota to pick another name. On June 24, 1954, the name "Land Cruiser" was
chosen.

From its humble beginnings in 1950 as a development project based on the design of the Willys Jeep.

not a rip off or a copy of, but definatly based on the designs of the jeep...just better :wink:

and i aggree, steer cleer of the roksa..sounds like trouble :lol:

lilpigzuk · Post by **lilpigzuk** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:24 pm

xj wrote:everyone that wants to call their Zuk a Jeep is dreaming, as Suzuki have utterly nothing to do with, and never have had anything to do with anything from any of the JEEP models.

Do i need to carry on?

but I found this Jeep on TM??

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 122179.htm

:mrgreen:

I think you should carry on, makes for great reading. Perhaps you need to go to the manhug thread :lol:

Andrew1706 · Post by **Andrew1706** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:49 pm

Jeep has morphed from being a brand name to a nickname, such as 'truck' - we don't own trucks at all but we call them that anyway.

Anyway, it's a Jeep thing - I wouldn't understand.

:roll:

xj · Post by xj » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:07 pm

Andrew1706 wrote:Jeep has morphed from being a brand name to a nickname, such as 'truck' - we don't own trucks at all but we call them that anyway.

Just like we call all denim jeans "Levi's"????

Lilpigzuk.....

i knew you'd enjoy the read.

vvega · Post by **vvega** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:28 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_truck

compact pickup truck

turoa · Post by **turoa** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:58 am

Bubba wrote:Touchy subject!!! Oh and by the way the fj was never a rip-off etc of the jeep, that is a urban myth

no it wasnt a rip off of the jeep, because the fj plans were almost straight out of the landrover factory :wink:

which were ripoffs of jeeps