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After watching a U-tube video of a Zuk running LPG driving at some insane angles, Ive been thinking about converting my zuk to LPG. A bit more torque, and no stalling at angles. And I get to lose the fuel tank from under the Zuk.

Currently have a 1324cc G13A Engine. Would like to upgrade to the G16A, 8v 1600cc in the future.
Been looking on the Web and haven't been able to find anyone doing a kit for this conversion. Been told that you can bolt a G16A kit up to the G13A. Anyone done this or know what is required?

Current list is.
Modified intake manifold.
LPG injector.
Regulator.
Tank.
Two way valve for back up 9kg gas bottle.
Disable mechanical fuel pump?

Is this modification worth while, or am I better off just getting a SPI 8v G16A or SPI GTi 1300 instead.
I quite like the idea of not having to run a ECU.
Don't know a lot about running LPG on petrol engines ,so any info would be appreciated.

C.

go with an injected motor. Much more power and heaps easier to set up and you dont lose all your load space by putting a tank in the back, plus you can fill it up anywhere (unlike LPG).

To adapt up a 1600 you need to buy an adapter kit off BenT (I think), or you could just make one yourself

UBZ wrote:Been looking on the Web and haven't been able to find anyone doing a kit for this conversion. Been told that you can bolt a G16A kit up to the G13A. Anyone done this or know what is required?

C.

PM "ben" (ore username) He does the adapter kits and they are top notch

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15001&p=170050#p170050

For the cost of a LPG set up id go for the TBI 8 valve engine (get the wiring loom and computer with it when you buy one!!!). No worries with angles, heaps of torque (okay compared with the 1300, rumored to be more than the 16 valve engine too), Ben T is the man to see for the adapter kit and the 1600 will just bolt in, only a fuel pump to source and extractors and you are away (okay it takes a little more than that but you get the drift). Not to mention LPG kits rerquire a Warrant check anually also (so more money out the door even if it is an off road only vehicle)

Hey mate,

If you are going to use an escudo/vitara engine if you can get the 5 speed manual aswell go for it! it is stronger than the sj 5 speed. YOU DON'T NEED ANY ADAPTERS apparantly. Keeping costs down This is the route I intend going down, already have the bits I need.

Check out this thread: http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic156301.php

Been thinking about the 8v 1600 upgrade for a while ,but don't have a body lift. I suppose i could cut the bonnet instead.
Was just exploring the alternatives.
Ideal would be a VW 1.9 TDI, but hard to source here, and a hell of alot more work.

Also been eyeing up the GTi 1300 you have for sale on TM Rex, they look like a real fun engine in a Zuk.
Will the GTi bolt straight up to the 413 Gearbox?

Rex's Gti is all set up to bolt straight in . They bolt to the standard 413 5sp gearbox . The only thing you many want is a right angle drive kit so the dissy does not hit the firewall , try Rex he had one but not sure if he still has it . By the sound of it its a bush truck and way so maybe a firewall massage is all thats needed

You do not need a body lift to fit a 8v 1.6 . You only need a lift for the 16v 1.6 and you can get away with loosening the front clip and packing the two front mounts and doing it all up . Its only about 10mm of so I believe .

Not worth stuffing around with lpg and if you were happy to loose the cargo space mounting a vitara tank with the efi pump already in it in the back would be the second easiest way to get a pump . The first would be a commodore inline pump .

Cheers
Chris

(Go the GTI , I have one under way )

Wonder if i can find the fellas number....he had a lgp kit complete out of a 413 in his barn....

found it PM sent

mroffroader wrote:Wonder if i can find the fellas number....he had a lgp kit complete out of a 413 in his barn....

Cheers mate . Gave him a txt but long gone.

gomulletgo wrote:Hey mate,
If you are going to use an escudo/vitara engine if you can get the 5 speed manual aswell go for it! it is stronger than the sj 5 speed. YOU DON'T NEED ANY ADAPTERS apparantly. Keeping costs down
Check out this thread: http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic156301.php

Nice thread. Good info .
So the 413 Jack shaft will side straight into the rear of the Vitara box once the transfer case has been divorced.
Just need to Shorten the 413 jack Shaft, Widen the trans tunnel and make a new gearbox cross member.
Alot more work for only a slightly stronger gearbox.

Rotazuk wrote:Rex's Gti is all set up to bolt straight in . They bolt to the standard 413 5sp gearbox . The only thing you many want is a right angle drive kit so the dissy does not hit the firewall , try Rex he had one but not sure if he still has it . By the sound of it its a bush truck and way so maybe a firewall massage is all thats needed

if you were happy to loose the cargo space mounting a vitara tank with the efi pump already in it in the back would be the second easiest way to get a pump . The first would be a commodore inline pump .

(Go the GTI , I have one under way )

The more I think about it the more I like the sound of it. A 100HP Extracted ,straight piped ,Suzuki screaming at 7500rpm through the bush (they will rev to 8800 happily apparently)

Found these figures on the web.
GTI 100HP@ 6000rpm 83.2ft/lbs @ 5000rpm
1.3 8v 60 HP @ 6500rpm 76 ftlbs. of torque @ 3500 rpm
1.6 8v 80 HP @ 5400rpm 94 ftlbs. of torque @ 3300rpm
1.6 16v 95 HP @ 5600rpm 98 ftlbs. of torque @ 4000rpm

I should all ready be getting lots of reduction and torque from the Rocklobster . So the high revving GTi would be a good match to spin 32's.

How much of firewall massage is required??? I cant find any pics on the web. Right angle drives $$$
You can apparently also use a Mazda 323 GT dizzy cap with a few small mods to get around this problem.

Can the Commodore pump ,be used with the stock 413 tank? Does it need some type of surge tank/Swirl pot?.

Last question , what sort of extractors fit onto the Gti? Just trying to weight up the costs the conversion.

Cheers C.

I cant really answer much about putting one into a 413, but in reguards to fuel, a commy pump will supply the fuel very happily. Surge tanks arent really required on a 4wd.

There are a few sets of RWD extractors floating around, but probably hard to find. I am making a set of my own for my trials buggy, and so have the flange drawn up in solidworks if you want a copy . An easy way to make them is to cut the flange off existing headers and just weld a new flange in its place (slight bending may be needed, but from memory the difference between single cam head and the double is the hole size and bolt spacing more than port spacing).

Go the GTI motor rex's one would be a good buy as its already set up to go in an sj

UBZ wrote:
The more I think about it the more I like the sound of it. A 100HP Extracted ,straight piped ,Suzuki screaming at 7500rpm through the bush (they will rev to 8800 happily apparently)
I should all ready be getting lots of reduction and torque from the Rocklobster . So the high revving GTi would be a good match to spin 32's.

How much of firewall massage is required??? I cant find any pics on the web. Right angle drives $$$
You can apparently also use a Mazda 323 GT dizzy cap with a few small mods to get around this problem.

Can the Commodore pump ,be used with the stock 413 tank? Does it need some type of surge tank/Swirl pot?.

Last question , what sort of extractors fit onto the Gti? Just trying to weight up the costs the conversion.

Cheers C.

That would be my only stipulation is that you have a reduced t/case , as your figures should the torque is there is just further up the rev range . Rex's Gti was a sweet sounding machine , hit him up he may sell you his complete exhaust system , make for an esay conversion .

I have come across the net page on the mazda dissy , aparently its off the 1.6 turbo or something and hard to find in aussie so they did not much go for it . Never looked for one here as the clearance was obtained with a sawall I believe . If you still have a heater I think they hit .

Commy pump should work fine with the 413 tank . There is talk that they need a lift pump , but I know heeps of people running them without , myself included for years no worries . I did have my pump mounted under the drivers seat/floor area , this may be a bit lower than were other people seem to mount them , where the fuel filter was . i still wanted the filter before the pump .

Cheers
Chris

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 023569.htm

would this fit??

do you give youself a post quota per day to retain the most posts or something jerry

Jerry wrote:http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Car-parts-accessories/Suzuki/auction-210023569.htm

would this fit??

Now ya mention it maybe a TBI manifold from an 8V 1600 engine would fit, just need the comp and other bits to run it.

Cheers for all the input guys.
I have decided to go with a 1300 GTi for know.