missing and loads of white smoke on start up

For all topics relating solely to diesel engines and modifications
Post Reply
User avatar
86-surf
Hard Yaka
Posts: 893
Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:00 pm
Location: Rotorua

missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by 86-surf »

hi there.
My 2lt turbo diesel surf is missing on start up and smokes on idle, after heating up and idling for a wee wile or at lights it also blows out clouds of white smoke.
runs fine and doesn't blow white smoke wen driving for a wile, but city driving through lights and shite is quite inbarising wen you take of and leave this huge cloud of white smoke behind.

cheers
User avatar
wopass
Hard Yaka
Posts: 5324
Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:00 pm
Location: Godzone

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by wopass »

cracked head

go get yourself a good head job :wink:
If you already know everything, DON'T ask bloody questions!!
User avatar
tallsam66
Hard Yaka
Posts: 1851
Joined: Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:00 pm
Location: Christchurch

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by tallsam66 »

id say cracked head too
User avatar
86-surf
Hard Yaka
Posts: 893
Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:00 pm
Location: Rotorua

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by 86-surf »

oh lovely, still runs sweet as and doesn't use water or oil....
and only misses on start up and thats it.. any easy way to check if the head is cracked?
User avatar
DaveM
Hard Yaka
Posts: 3249
Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:00 pm
Location: Blenheim

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by DaveM »

Usually you can see bubbles in the radiator with engine running and the cap off.
User avatar
Heath
Hard Yaka
Posts: 3297
Joined: Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:00 pm
Location: Rolleston, Chch

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by Heath »

Take it to a mechanic and they will do a test on the water in the radiator. Not definitive but can help. I'm with the others, head or gasket, say farewell to about a grand. :(
User avatar
tweake
Hard Yaka
Posts: 2212
Joined: Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:00 pm
Location: start of northland

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by tweake »

are the glow plugs working?

also does it have the thermostat in it ? (often removed in a lame attempt to stop head cracking)

the other possibility's are slipped cam belt (injection timing is out) or faulty injection pump (no injection timing advancement).
User avatar
86-surf
Hard Yaka
Posts: 893
Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:00 pm
Location: Rotorua

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by 86-surf »

it only misses on one cylinder tho. ive orderd some glow plugs so gonna change them and see how they go. the cambelt deffinatly needs to be changed so ill change that sucker too.

cheers

if it is a cracked head. ill just rip the 2.4 out. go with the 2.8. or go all out and put a 7mgte in it. .
User avatar
mercutio
Hard Yaka
Posts: 1955
Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2003 12:00 pm
Location: Wellytown

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by mercutio »

86-surf wrote:if it is a cracked head. ill just rip the 2.4 out. go with the 2.8. or go all out and put a 7mgte in it. .


sounds like a plan why not just do it anyway :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
my 4wd is not a truck

old mercedes never die but sometimes they do need some love

older cars are good,mercedes are better,older mercedes are the best
User avatar
86-surf
Hard Yaka
Posts: 893
Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:00 pm
Location: Rotorua

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by 86-surf »

umm because i like diesel and ill have to get the 7m certed haha...
User avatar
mercutio
Hard Yaka
Posts: 1955
Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2003 12:00 pm
Location: Wellytown

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by mercutio »

86-surf wrote:umm because i like diesel and ill have to get the 7m certed haha...


diesel is so overrated especially if it is going to be used as a toy :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
my 4wd is not a truck

old mercedes never die but sometimes they do need some love

older cars are good,mercedes are better,older mercedes are the best
User avatar
86-surf
Hard Yaka
Posts: 893
Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:00 pm
Location: Rotorua

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by 86-surf »

hahaha it will still be my daily driver, sold the cortina and it will be getting picked up next week. so ive got no transportaion, not that it matters. but it would be nice to have this on the road before i get my license back:D
User avatar
smurf182
Hard Yaka
Posts: 590
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:00 pm
Location: Auckland

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by smurf182 »

Not necessarily a cracked head, and if it isn't using any water at all then it is most likely not.

My guess would be turbo oil seals. Oil is getting past the seals at idle because there is no manifold pressure. That explains your cloud of white smoke.

Missing on start up could be any number of things, most likely either glow plugs or the primer pump is farked allowing fuel to drain back into the tank over night.

I would check the compression and go from there.
User avatar
badnuz
Hard Yaka
Posts: 2367
Joined: Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:00 pm
Location: Melbourne
Contact:

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by badnuz »

or check the head breather isnt blocked, Gaza's 2LT blew smoke like a B##**#%H we thoght blown turbo but it was just the breather blocked and pressurising the oil out thru the turbo.....
i used to Cruise, now i PATROL
User avatar
wopass
Hard Yaka
Posts: 5324
Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:00 pm
Location: Godzone

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by wopass »

i still say he needs to go somewhere and get a decent head job...
If you already know everything, DON'T ask bloody questions!!
User avatar
86-surf
Hard Yaka
Posts: 893
Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:00 pm
Location: Rotorua

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by 86-surf »

there was a bit of oil sitting in the front of the turbo wen i took the intake piping stuff off does that mean anything?. .
User avatar
tweake
Hard Yaka
Posts: 2212
Joined: Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:00 pm
Location: start of northland

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by tweake »

got a catch can?

2lt's are well known for blowing lots of oil out the breather, it can make it hard to tell if the oil in the intake after the turbo is from leaking turbo or from breather.

typically if its turbo leaking oil the smoke is blue rather than white.
vvega
Hard Yaka
Posts: 972
Joined: Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:02 pm
Location: hamilton

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by vvega »

if its a turbo issue
blue smoke is from the intake side of the engine ...white is from the exhaust side

so if its white ... it will be comming from the ex side of the engine
reason it probably smokes at startup ... it pools in the snail .. then clears
Kiwi4x4
User avatar
86-surf
Hard Yaka
Posts: 893
Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:00 pm
Location: Rotorua

Re: missing and loads of white smoke on start up

Post by 86-surf »

i took the washes out of the turbo thingy and turned the diesel injector pump down to normal and it has seemed to have stopped it.

cheers guys!
Post Reply

Return to “Diesel Engines and Modifications”