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Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:22 pm**

I have heard from Tu that the earlier Disco Diesels wern't that good and had problems but the later models over come these.

What models are best?

What are the common issues to look for when buying a 98 model?

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:31 pm**

no no they are fine reliability wise just not power wise :lol:

98 was the crossover between the disco ones and twos so may pay to find out which model it is first (they have the same engine capacity btw, but the 300tdi and td5 are miles apart)

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:39 pm**

TD5 was a dissappointment to drive after the 300Tdi I thought. On boost it was fine but off boost and fly by wire it wouldn't idle up any hill like the 300tdi would.

300tdi is super economical, and is an honest preformer for a 20yr old motor. Early ones had a timing belt issue - I think it was something like the pully's were not prefectly aligned but that would be sorted by now.

The 300tdi repleced the 200tdi and apparently was a bit quieter - both have a few men with hammers under the bonnet banging away.

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:39 pm**

Do these ones suffer from the diff exploding like the earlier ones (ie Cloggy's one), What are parts like to get for them and how expensive are they?, whats the reliability of the electrics on these as well?.....

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:30 pm**

Thanks Tu's, so the 300i are the later (and better of the two) I take it?

It would just be a daily drive so I'm not concerned about diff's etc.

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:36 pm**

Order of manufacture 200tdi --> 300tdi --> TD5

200tdi was loosly based on the old Land Rover 2.5 Diesel but was introduced with the Discovery in 1989. 300tdi replaced it in about 1993 (about the same time the 3.5 V8 went to 3.9) and as Tu's said the TD5 came out in about 1998

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:25 pm**

As NJ said the 300tdis are super economical. Some guys report 1200ks from a tank (bout 80l I think).

Personally I love the td5 motors. Mines supposed to be chipped, but I havnt driven another one so cant compare. When I test drove a 300tdi I thought it was quite dissapointing, but after talking to furgus I started to think the one I tested was a little down on power.

The one I drive is an auto, has airbags in the rear and the ACE system (active cornering enhancement). It handles like a car and has no problem with loads (tows the car trailer rediculously well).

Acceleration wise it does 0-100 in 12 seconds. I do 800ks a tank (so around 10l/100k) so it is quite economical (even with my heavy foot).

People bag rovers but they are mostly guys like jerry who have never had one before. They are comfy and you get ALOT of vehicle for your money.

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:52 pm**

Jerry wrote:Do these ones suffer from the diff exploding like the earlier ones (ie Cloggy's one), What are parts like to get for them and how expensive are they?, whats the reliability of the electrics on these as well?.....

Jerry, unless you have owned and driven Land Rovers, in particular the Discovery's talked about here you are not in a position to comment.

I would think that the front diff set up in your Pardo is a lot weaker than the Rover diffs. Having had both I blew more diffs in the Prado than I ever did in the Rover.
As for electrics, again the Toyota has far more than the mid 90's Discovery ever did.

Time for you to withdrew into that little hole you crawled out of and continue fixing that so called vehicle of yours which no one ever sees apart from photos of it being repaired (or attempting to repair).

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:00 pm**

Ralfie wrote:
Jerry wrote:Do these ones suffer from the diff exploding like the earlier ones (ie Cloggy's one), What are parts like to get for them and how expensive are they?, whats the reliability of the electrics on these as well?.....

Jerry, unless you have owned and driven Land Rovers, in particular the Discovery's talked about here you are not in a position to comment.

I would think that the front diff set up in your Pardo is a lot weaker than the Rover diffs. Having had both I blew more diffs in the Prado than I ever did in the Rover.
As for electrics, again the Toyota has far more than the mid 90's Discovery ever did.

Time for you to withdrew into that little hole you crawled out of and continue fixing that so called vehicle of yours which no one ever sees apart from photos of it being repaired (or attempting to repair).

I had to quote it, just so theres a record of it. :mrgreen:

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:16 pm**

http://www.carsurvey.org/reviews/land_r ... /comments/

http://www.carsurvey.org/reviews/land_r ... /comments/

http://www.carsurvey.org/reviews/land_r ... /comments/

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/l ... -1998.aspx

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/land-rove ... -1989.aspx

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:20 pm**

Now for the bad news. Discoverys are hardly the most reliable vehicles. Early versions had problems including rust and badly fitting doors.

The five-cylinder turbo-diesel engine has been known to snap timing belts and we've heard of the odd broken crankshaft. Later V8s had a problem with the engine idler pulley not strong enough to cope with the load imposed by accessories. There was a recall, but any vehicle with a steel idler has already been fixed. Turbochargers and starter motors have been known to fail. The pump for the fuel-injection system can also give trouble or fail.

Gearbox problems include everything from leaking seals to complete failures. Perhaps the most common dramas afflicting Discos are of an electrical nature with faulty switchgear and dud components.

The pick would be a five-cylinder turbo-diesel with as late a build date and as few kilometres as you can find. There are enough Discos out there that have never been on any surface more taxing than a driveway. An example with its carpet in mint condition, standard tyres and a plastic bonnet protector probably has never even been parked under a tree. Buy that one.

Source http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Artic ... &pg=2&vf=0

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:29 pm**

http://www.landroverhell.com/

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:11 pm**

Yep, Jerry, I can see you are lost for words.............

Instead you have to reply on others to try to pass on a whole lot of bullshit and miss information. Do you always believe everything you read.........??

I go back to the orginal comment "unless you have owned and driven Land Rovers, in particular the diesel Discovery's talked about here you are not in a position to comment."

Shall we start about the head problems of the Toyota's, yes, even the later model such as yours. After spending 10k in one year fixing the Prado I moved on. It just wasn't up to it in reliability stakes nor off road.

You have a real nerve trying to spread malicious, vindictive rumours about something you have never experienced. Maybe you should try Land Rover ownership for while, at least it might just go off road for you unlike the garaged money pits you currently own. Speaking which did you ever get that garaged finished? Guess you need to to have somewhere to park that non runner of yours. What do you refer to it as again...........??
POS.... which stands for..........??

Oh and yes Skid, you can quote it again so there is a record.

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:44 pm**

LandRover electrics and build quality problems are well documented online with reputable sites and other reviews, as for the diffs then perhaps Cloggy can tell us about the 4 broken diffs he's had with his.....

Bubba wanted feedback on them, I have done some research on them previously and recently when considering buying one, my pick would be a defender but these are too overpriced.

Malicious rumours??? .... look at the facts, every vehicle has its weak points, you just need to know what can go wrong and factor that into your decision buying.......

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:50 pm**

Ralfie wrote:Yep, Jerry, I can see you are lost for words.............

Instead you have to reply on others to try to pass on a whole lot of bullshit and miss information. Do you always believe everything you read.........??

I go back to the orginal comment "unless you have owned and driven Land Rovers, in particular the diesel Discovery's talked about here you are not in a position to comment."

Shall we start about the head problems of the Toyota's, yes, even the later model such as yours. After spending 10k in one year fixing the Prado I moved on. It just wasn't up to it in reliability stakes nor off road.

You have a real nerve trying to spread malicious, vindictive rumours about something you have never experienced. Maybe you should try Land Rover ownership for while, at least it might just go off road for you unlike the garaged money pits you currently own. Speaking which did you ever get that garaged finished? Guess you need to to have somewhere to park that non runner of yours. What do you refer to it as again...........??
POS.... which stands for..........??

Oh and yes Skid, you can quote it again so there is a record.

CHURRRR

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:59 pm**

Jerrys brain seems to engage as often as his 'POS's 4WD...

I've always wanted a Range Rover as a daily but just assumed that they were pricey but just looked on Tardme and they aren't that bad...

What about prices for parts and repairs?

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:31 pm**

Jerry wrote:
Now for the bad news. Discoverys are hardly the most reliable vehicles. Early versions had problems including rust and badly fitting doors.

The five-cylinder turbo-diesel engine has been known to snap timing belts

Source http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Artic ... &pg=2&vf=0

The 5 cylinder turbo diesel (or TD5 made from 99 onwards) have a farkin timing chain :roll:

shithot research Jerry :lol:

Had too many Land Rovers myself classic rangies, early V8 Disco, Td5 Disco. Had very few problems with any of them - TD5 was rarely offroaded. Ill fitting doors is a new one also :lol:

, maybe a series IIA.
Had 6 years in LR Dealership to so only saw the fawked ones, plenty more on the road that didnt have issues. Like any brand the non owners are quick to judge.
My 93 Prado has had more issues than the rovers Ive owned

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:23 pm**

300 TDI is a great motor, We've got a manual Discovery at home that we've had for 6 years or so. I've heard that the 300 TDI suffers in front of an auto box but it definitely goes well in manual.
And parents just bought a TD5 auto disco a few months ago - seems good so far.
With parts is you can get many of them online from the UK much cheaper than here.

NJV6 wrote:Order of manufacture 200tdi --> 300tdi --> TD5

300 TDI was late 1994 onwards, It came in with the facelift, also the 1994 onwards have the stronger R380 gearbox in manual form

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:35 pm**

lilpigzuk wrote:My 93 Prado has had more issues than the rovers Ive owned

lmfao............that I love...........all the toymotor fans think that they are "bulletproof" but perhaps not.....

now some constructive info.......

having driven 200tdi, 3000tdi & td5 motors my pick will always be the 300tdi.......why?

Well first of all I have to admit that they were all driven under different circumstances BUT the only one so far not to be truely tested was the TD5 - & that was because one test drive (just from the LR dealer to home & back again) wasn't great - just try stopping on my drive to open the gate & then start without stalling........took me a couple of goes!!!! The 200tdi i had was a 1993 disco - great vehicle .... I loved it to bits ..... but it was getting old so I sld it on..... BIG MISTAKE .... the only probs in 5 yrs were a thrust bearing (so did clutch at the same time) slightly pitted caliper pistons, & head gasket (which did NO damage to anything else). So why the 300tdi.........well that is in a 130 Defender which is a bit heavier than the Disco BUT the performance is far better.......as with all LRtdi motors it takes a little to warm up (ie with the recent cold weather the other day, I got half way down my drive & realised I had forgotten my phone.......backing up was a problem, it wanted to stall.......my drive is farkin steep....so popped it into low box & up it rumbled) but what is great is that is NO electronic components to stuff out!!! So my big plan with this truck is to use it as an overland vehicle thru South America (where i expect local mechanics to help fix it and not have to rely on a laptop diagnostic!!!! & then limp 'home' for 500km) and so the simple workings of a 300tdi work FOR ME!!!!

just my (very biased (but reasoned)) 2c worth

Furgus

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:29 am**

WOW, so this is what it's like to ask a serous question and have it ambushed and thread jacked :lol:

I have to admit that i'm warming to the idea of a LR however the Minister of War and Fianance has put a freeze on the one I was looking at. The plan may include selling the Cruiser :cry:

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:37 pm**

Ralfie wrote:Jerry, unless you have owned and driven Land Rovers, in particular the Discovery's talked about here you are not in a position to comment.

Thats a BULLSHIT statement mate you dont have to have owned or driven a vehicle to know anything about them and what makes you think you should be able to comment on a public forum and not someone else? :roll:

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:09 pm**

Sadam_Husain wrote:
Ralfie wrote:Jerry, unless you have owned and driven Land Rovers, in particular the Discovery's talked about here you are not in a position to comment.

Thats a BULLSHIT statement mate you dont have to have owned or driven a vehicle to know anything about them and what makes you think you should be able to comment on a public forum and not someone else?

Just about all that could be expected from someone who has to use the name of the one of the worlds most notorious human rights criminals to get noticed.

What Jerry is spouting is bullshit and already others have since commented on here how infactual his so called research and information actually is.
Jerry doesn't know which hole he is talking out of. Instead he 'researches' for false and misleading information which he then quotes as being factual.

Neither his responses or yours are indeed helpful to the orginal question about Land Rover Diesel motors.

I at least was talking from personal experiences which makes me better qualified (if any body is indeed qualified) to comment.

A person asks questions on here to get information, not to be blasted with untruths and mis information. Time to get back on the original topic and allow those who can help with facts and their own experiences do so while those others show restraint when they are undoubtly out of their depth.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:25 pm**

Ralfie go back and read your posts :roll:

, you launched into a detailed personal attack on another forum member and said he had no right to post his opinion because of your opinion (who cares where he got it from its his opinion) and started attacking his choice of vehicle. Then you launched into a personal attack against me for pointing it out :roll:

The threads about LR opinions not your opinions of other forum members

You ovbiously like LR's coz your profile shows it as the topic you've most frequently posted in, I dont like the bloody things, I grew up with them and have owned them and still dont like them but I dont go rubbishing them to everyone who has a different opinion to me

Think before you post and post constructively or F OFF :roll:

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:34 pm**

Ralfie wrote:A person asks questions on here to get information, not to be blasted with untruths and mis information. Time to get back on the original topic and allow those who can help with facts and their own experiences do so while those others show restraint when they are undoubtly out of their depth.

Now, I was quite happy sitting back and watching Jerry get served

It was fun, but now this particular comment has made my brain tick.

Surely, what Jerry was quoting was infact information, albeit from the net and from experiences a friend of his may have had.

Having been an ORE supporter for a few years now, I have seen lots of questions asked and lots of questions answered.

Jerrys answer and your answers and everyone elses answers, were information.

Its entirely up to the original poster to gather all this information and make themselves what they could call an informed decision.

Now I never thought I'd support Jerry, but he was supplying information along with lots of others.

So lets just allow Princess to make his decision based on what he has read on here and what research he may have done himself, besides, hes not likely to take any advice from Jerry anyway :lol:

p.s. DON'T SELL THE CRUISER BUBBA, PLEASE

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:39 pm**

Bubba wrote:It would just be a daily drive so I'm not concerned about diff's etc.

So anyway Princess, yes as a daily driver they should be alright. Im sure you will read past the internet biffo :lol:

but yeah "only a daily driver" heard that before :mrgreen:

Posted: **Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:19 pm**

Well I listened to the Landy lovers and loathers. :twisted:

Got me a TD5

, got to say it drives sooooo nice. I can feel the rover bug biting and the Cruiser bug isn't liking it :twisted:

Posted: **Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:11 pm**

oh was that your new LR bubba :shock:

couple of problems i noted from following it.
Blows big thick black smoke on take off - so bad i had to change lanes, leans over so far going round the corners I had to change lanes once again to give you room, lacked any accleration so much so i had to stop using the toyotas gas pedal and drive on the fast idle switch so you could keep up. looks nice though :mrgreen:

Posted: **Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:58 pm**

I was slowing down so I could wave to the commoners. Your Toyota was scarring the corgi's

Posted: **Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:56 pm**

I was slowing down so I could wave to the commoners. Your Toyota was scarring the corgi's

I've heard that somewhere before :lol:

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:55 pm**

I didn't get your meaning there DJ, until I re-read YOUR post :oops:

No plagiarism, just a common theme when the upper class has to deal with the riff raff. Well not intentional plagiarism old chap, but my round at the pony club next time... Chinchin and all that.

plagiarism: "Yool, I copied tis shtiz" (thats for the benefit of the commoners)

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