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Okay so what are the basic winch accessories I need?

Got the winch with wire fitted (came with new toy).

Figure on a tree trunk protector, winch extension strap, dampner, pulley, some shackles and gloves.

Anything else I should think about?

Heath

don't think, so covered most off it, got 3 pulleys two tree protectors 5 shackles. need most of it pulling other people on odd times

coxsy wrote:don't think, so covered most off it, got 3 pulleys two tree protectors 5 shackles. need most of it pulling other people on odd times

I've got what coxsys got and can raise it by a 3rd tree trunk protector, 20m extension and a few other bits

sounds overkill but you can never have enough recovery gear

well a 20 mtr and a 50 mtr in there 30mtrs of wire a tacoman, the list can be end less

coxsy wrote:well a 20 mtr and a 50 mtr in there 30mtrs of wire a tacoman, the list can be end less

I carry four snatch blocks so I can winch myself backwards if I have to. Never needed to yet, but you never know.
I also carry a few 4-5 metre lengths of rated chain with hooks on both ends.

Hell, half the weight of your trucks must be recovery gear!

coxsy wrote:don't think, so covered most off it, got 3 pulleys two tree protectors 5 shackles. need most of it pulling other people on odd times

what sort of shackles should i get? looked on 4wd bits and cant really see the difference between the yellow pin and green pin. And should I just get the one with the highest rating?

chevrolux wrote:

coxsy wrote:don't think, so covered most off it, got 3 pulleys two tree protectors 5 shackles. need most of it pulling other people on odd times

what sort of shackles should i get? looked on 4wd bits and cant really see the difference between the yellow pin and green pin. And should I just get the one with the highest rating?

greep pin are made in italy, yellow pin are made in china. green pin have 6 to 1 safety rating and yellow 3 to 1 I think. China has a habit of using crap steel. I'd go green pin for sure. ORE will have these on the site this week through the wtbs vendor. support the site by supporting the vendors

tgaguy1 wrote:I carry four snatch blocks so I can winch myself backwards if I have to.

I've tried to figure this out before but fail miserably - can someone explain how it works?

Would this work?

nstacey wrote:Would this work?

Wouldnt that pull the truck apart?? , or pull a tree down or something??

Yeah sure would, so how do 4 snatch blocks pull it backwards?

nstacey wrote:Would this work?

only if you are trying to lengthen your 4wd

http://home.off-road.com/~landy/winchback.htm

Oooooooh

So Tgaguy is at least 2 snatch blocks short?

No, you can do it with 4.

1 in front of the vehicle
1 out to the side
1 at an anchor point behind the vehicle
1 at the rear of the vehicle and put the hook at the same point as the 3rd pully.

It is hard on the winch and rope.

NJV6 wrote:No, you can do it with 4.

1 in front of the vehicle
1 out to the side
1 at an anchor point behind the vehicle
1 at the rear of the vehicle and put the hook at the same point as the 3rd pully.

It is hard on the winch and rope.

O right that sounds better

nstacey wrote:So Tgaguy is at least 2 snatch blocks short?

Here is a pic showing not only my outstanding graphics skills but how it is achieved. As NJV6 says it is hard on gear; but I imagine it would only be used when all else has failed. I have tried it on flat ground as a demonstration and it does work. I carry a steel winch cable on a garden hose spool and a Keto (sp) clip to extend my winch cable as the usual 30-35 metre cable length would not achieve this.

Heath wrote:Hell, half the weight of your trucks must be recovery gear!

It is not so much the weight (LWB patrols are no light weight anyway), More the space it consumes. I barely have room for my lunch box , especially by the time I add spares like axles, CV's, steering rods etc.

I have found that a cable winch like a tirfor style is a good addition, if main winch fails or need to winch backwards or side ways you can. is an arm strong method and hard work, helps to have passengers to help.

I carry two ammo tins with two 4.5T shackles, 1x pulley block, 1x tree protector in each of them. Also have two shackles fitted to rear of truck. 30 mtr winch extension strap. heavy duty tirfor (used by Oz army to pull out unimogs) with 30 mtrs of wire rope. snig chain with hooks both ends. And that's just for winching, don't even ask about ropes, maxtrac, digging tools etc, tec.
At times it can all be in use.
Al

tgaguy1 wrote:

nstacey wrote:So Tgaguy is at least 2 snatch blocks short?

Here is a pic showing not only my outstanding graphics skills but how it is achieved. As NJV6 says it is hard on gear; but I imagine it would only be used when all else has failed. I have tried it on flat ground as a demonstration and it does work. I carry a steel winch cable on a garden hose spool and a Keto (sp) clip to extend my winch cable as the usual 30-35 metre cable length would not achieve this.

Heath wrote:Hell, half the weight of your trucks must be recovery gear!

It is not so much the weight (LWB patrols are no light weight anyway), More the space it consumes. I barely have room for my lunch box , especially by the time I add spares like axles, CV's, steering rods etc.

Guess you are lucky it isnt a rover or there would be even more spares. Mind you halve the spares are required because of the overloading from the copius spares needed for "reliability".

NJV6 wrote:No, you can do it with 4.

1 in front of the vehicle
1 out to the side
1 at an anchor point behind the vehicle
1 at the rear of the vehicle and put the hook at the same point as the 3rd pully.

It is hard on the winch and rope.

I had to winch myself sideways after getting stuck between two trees and snapping my chainsaw chain. I used one snatch block out front and a tree out the side. I have some sleeves on my synthetic rope to stop it getting damaged on rocks etc so used the sleeve to stop damage to the tree. It was getting dark and raining... not fun.

Man this hurt my brain so I asked my freind mr google and found this. It still took me a while to work out

http://home.off-road.com/~landy/winchback.htm

so much easier to have a rear facing winch. lucky i have one of those

I like the foers Ibex set up, best of both worlds.

Why do we fit winches to the front?

If we get stuck moving forwards wouldnt it be better to fit them to the rear to pull us out in the direction we know is driveable?

We fit them to the front as that is the way we are going!

The biggest winch accessory you can have is to travel with another vehicle and have a ground anchor!!

We all have winches on our trucks.
There are four of them.... you just need to know how to use them..

on my last trip out someone put a winch hook on the back of my truck as a anchor for a suzuki, close as i ever got to be pull over on my side , ''use a bloody tree there are lots of them''

coxsy wrote:on my last trip out someone put a winch hook on the back of my truck as a anchor for a suzuki, close as i ever got to be pull over on my side , ''use a bloody tree there are lots of them''

I've heard that is a good way to bend your chassis. You can brace your truck on a tree (if possible) but you might as well just use the tree instead of farting around if there is one handy.

Taz wrote:

coxsy wrote:on my last trip out someone put a winch hook on the back of my truck as a anchor for a suzuki, close as i ever got to be pull over on my side , ''use a bloody tree there are lots of them''

I've heard that is a good way to bend your chassis. You can brace your truck on a tree (if possible) but you might as well just use the tree instead of farting around if there is one handy.

A tree or an anchor is what I figure. No damage to anyone else means I am not shelling out cash for something that couldve been avoided. Of course if the inevitable happens then it stands to reason that any damage bill is footed by the one being recovered as it wouldnt have happened if they didnt get stuck in the first place (of course this is up for negotiation if the recoverer was negligent ).