River access

[Moriarty]

Do you remember when the Foreshore and riverbed access bill was passed?

Do you remember the maori voices all saying that there would be NO RESTRICTION to the general population having access?
That they (Maori) would be only guardians and that all they wanted was to be connected to their history and other such statements?


I do.....


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[DieselBoy]

Makes my blood boil

Stop referring to them as Maoris and they cease to exist, they just become citizens of NZ.

Once you look at it from that way, they just become greedy New Zealanders trying to make a buck from other New Zealanders by illegally restricting access.

[UBZ]

Went for a walk down a beach last year on the west coast of the South Is. Been walking on that beach for as long as i can remember. my dad used to walk on that beach with his dad.

get about half way along and some angry foreigner with a strong accent comes running out and demands that i get off his private beach.

tells me his property extends all the way out 100m into the sea.

he threatens to call the police , so i tell him if he is going to make a stink about me taken an innocent stroll and causing no trouble at all, ill peg his beach as a gold claim , put a road through the middle his property and rip the whole god damm beach for processing and there is nothing he could do about it.

Which under the mineral prospecting laws is quite within my rights. Shut him up quick smart.

Not that i would. Drives me metal that foreigners come to NZ and try to tell me i cant walk on a piece of my cultural heritage.

its just like trying to go for a hike on one of our main walking tracks like the routeburn , not allowed without a permit and can't get a permit cause the tourists have bought them all.

yes tourism and imigration are great for our country but shouldn't be at the cost of the local kiwi lifestyle we all know and love..

Just look at all the drama with a Waipara river access and all the paper roads that are closed everywhere..

The restrictions should be the other way around, if your making a buck off our beautiful wilderness then you should be the ones who are heavily restricted and forced to contribute to maintaining those areas you make a profit from.

the government is here to serve the people, yeah right.

[Moriarty]

Also, Pete, there is the small matter of selling fishing rights.

unless YOUR prime minister repealed that wee bit of legislation whilst we weren't looking?

Section 23 of the wildlife act specifically FORBIDS the sale of rights to fish take game (birds) etc etc.

bastards.

[BrentC]

get about half way along and some angry foreigner with a strong accent comes running out and demands that i get off his private beach.

What Beach?

[Moriarty]

get about half way along and some angry foreigner with a strong accent comes running out and demands that i get off his private beach.

What Beach?

Son of a BEACH.

The talking heads insist that what we refer to as "the Queens Chain" is not enshrined in law.
No? common usage has a certain legal standing, and THAT is enshrined in Law. Ever since the Doomsday book etc. common useage has been in effect, thats where the word "COMMON" comes from when referring to a piece of land.

One of the worst bits of this is, Wero is a friend of mine from Waaaaay back. He was a policeman and retired after his term and then studied law and passed his bar exams.
The River he speaks of, is the Taruarau R. in the NW Ruahines. I have fished that for fkn YEARS!!! It also appears to be INSIDE the Ruahine national park.
SINCE WHEN did rivers etc INSIDE nat parks become private property?
click here for map

The Taruarau runs across the narrow portion near the top. If I knew how to edit it, I would stick fkn great arrow pointing at it.

[PeterVahry]

http://www.walkingaccess.co.nz/store/doc/waterfull.pdf
That reference will give your grey matter a work out but is the most recent summary on access to rivers etc.

If you want to read more about access, check all the downloadable material at www.walkingaccess.org.nz/page/6/Publications.html

[dazza85]

The original article ( 'cause they often get archived or deleted )
There is an area in the northen Ruahines that has been (given ) back the locals who now charge people to enter the area - it was originally part of the Ruahine forest park ( which belonged to us all ) and it is only on the new maps that show it as private land.

Waterways - Privatisation by stealth
David Haynes fears greater restrictions on fishing David Haynes fears greater restrictions on fishing

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:44p.m. By Sarah Batley

Access to lakes, rivers and bays is something kiwis take for granted.

But many of our waterways are off limits to the public.

Property titles can cut across riverbeds, creating a web of no-go zones in our best fishing spots.

Nelson fisherman, David Haynes, left the UK six years ago because he was fed up with the tight restrictions on where he could fish.

He now fears New Zealand is going the same way:

“I do know of a couple of fellows who have accessed at a public access point and walked down a river and been served a trespass notice and marched off the land.”

But Wero Karena, whose iwi leases parts of the Taruarau River to private companies, says the public must respect the rights of owners to manage their land.

He also believes that restricting access plays an important role in preserving the fishing resource.

Concern about the creeping privatisation of our waterways can also be found around New Zealand bays.

Auckland sailor, Tom Miller, says the Auckland Regional Council is giving out mooring consents too freely which in turn restricts where other boatowners can moor.

“One of the worst aspects of it is the number of empty moorings that are there. There are 19 unoccupied moorings [on Waiheke] which shows the complete and total inefficiency of the one-mooring-one-boat rule.”

However, residents on Waiheke say private moorings, like car parks, are vital.

Confusion over access to our waterways may stem from the idea of a Queen’s Chain, which many New Zealanders believe grants public access to waterways.

The concept was never put into law but the idea became an enduring part of New Zealand culture.
The Land Access Walking Commission has been set up to negotiate better access for the public, but it has no powers to enforce any decisions.

Comments [1]
fishy
24 Mar 2010 3:59p.m.

1) how can you be trespassing when in the river or on the banks of the river, which belongs to the public? 2)Wero Karena is talking rubbish re preserving the fishing resource. That already happens with bag limits of fish allowed to be kept, and probably the majority of fishermen now practise catch and release. Poachers or non licenced fisherman are more likely to be damaging the resource 3)Great, a lot of money will be being spent by the Access Commission, but can't enforce decisions. What a joke. 4) How does Wero Karena's iwi ówn' part of the river, that they can lease it to private companies? Bottom line is, they are getting a payout, probably from guides, who want exclusive fishing for their clients. Doesn't matter what colour your skin is, money is money, greedy is greedy. 5)If I spout off my whanau's whakapapa, can I fish there for free or do I have to pay?

[Moriarty]

Further to my first post.

After looking twice more at that video clip, certain things become obvious.

Where the helicopter is showed as attempting a landing on "private" river bed, (for the camera) is NOT on the Tarurarau River, its downstream from its mouth, on the Ngaruroro River.

NOWHERE in the video clip, were Wero and the Interviewer actually ON the Tarurarau.

It was all very misleading, don't try to tell me its "artistic" license please. Just because you cant land a heliocopter in much of the bed is no excuse.

How can I tell?

Ask Ben Sanderson the same question. He, like me, Paul and a bunch of us all, have walked fished and shot deer up and down the Tarurarau from where the Ikawatea flows into it, to its mouth on the Ngaruroro. my first trip into there was when I was a mere stripling of 30 or so.

WHAT defines the riverbed? The bits UNDER water? The bits under water at high tide? Low tide? an average? Fark, I have been in to the Tarurarau after a wee flood, and seen detritus trapped in the banks 20 feet up from the "normal" water height.

WHO determines WHAT the high tide is? Bearing in mind, a river cuts a channel wide and deep with terraces over the millions of years.

[PeterVahry]

If there is an access issue in respect of freshwater fishing then contact Bryce Johnson at Fish and Game. They are hot on 'private' sections of river.