GQ td42 fuel pump interchangeability, inline to rotary

[muskie]

hey guys before i fit my turbo i need a bit of help with a couple of questions, if you can shed some light please do.

i have a inline fuel pump on my 1991 GQ patrol, what i need to know is will a rotary pump fit straight on or not without removing the complete front of the engine to change the back plate/timing??

i am lead to believe i mave have issues with fueling after fitting my turbo with an in line fuel pump??

i dont want to change it as there are no issues with the in line pump currently fitted, just doing the research prior to getting started with fitting the turbo... also at the mo i have the chance of another engine with a knock but has all the parts and a recond pump/new injeters/glow plugs all this year for $300.

any info experiences welcome.

[Heath]

Injectors and glow plugs would be worth that on their own (wouldnt they?), get it for spares. and sell what you dont want.

Of course it is always easier for us to suggest how you spend your money. If you can make use of the bits grab them, if not let em go.

[muskie]

Injectors and glow plugs would be worth that on their own (wouldnt they?), get it for spares. and sell what you dont want.

Of course it is always easier for us to suggest how you spend your money. If you can make use of the bits grab them, if not let em go.

thanks but its more about the pump than anything.

[JONO250]

Hi take a look on patrol 4x4, I remember seeing a thread on there about swapping out the inline pump on a TD42

[sig]

i dad the exact same thing to my patrol when i turboed it .got an engineer mate of mine to make me up an adaptor plate and slapped it on .did it about 5 years ago and still going strong (different owner now thou).I did run the inline pump for a while but it was a bit of a pain ,had to run a phu phu valve ( like the boy racers) but it was funny when you backed off and the blow off valve went off .People walking along used to look out for a boy racer not an old lwb pootrol whale

[Taz]

(FROM P4X4)As you have worked out the inline pumps were used on early TD42 in GQ's and industrial motor division for fork lift etc. These pumps are the same body as the sd33 but with bigger plunger elements on the rack. There are heaps of different rack elements for these pumps and with the right bits can be set up to deliver as much fuel as the 12mm single element VE pump. Your problem with this pump is the govenor it has to be changed to a pressure mechanical system for turbo charging, can be done and i am sure there would be diesel specialest in your country that would know how to do this considering England is the home of the inline pump. For a comp truck you wouldn't have to worry about emissions etc.
Having said that IMO it would be easier and cheaper to do a VE pump, but i am sure you will need the cover plate to suit as the inline plate is different, also the gear sets will need to be changed as well that is also different. You will then be able to remove the butterfly. If you keep the inline pump you will have to use one of those rice boy blow off valves this might be cool if you like that bling stuff.

My Patrol has an inline pump and used to be turdbo'd. The mechanic who spannered it on and off said it went fine but that the boost came on very suddenly and would light up all 4 without trying. It was taken back off because the owners kids were chewing tyres and he was worried about the speed apparently.

Peter Munro in Chch was the place that did it. Might be worth giving them and ring, or a other place that will have delt with turbos and both pumps and seeing what they reckon the pros and cons are.

EDIT:Words where there shouldn't be words :S

[muskie]

thanks taz, i have just joined patrol 4x4 and was going to search today. i do have another engine with all the bits on that i need, i like the sound of lighting up the tyres for a while though

[Taz]

Haha fair enough. You can get one of the front wheels in the air on a well setup turdbo as well apparently. Seen it mentioned a bit on that site a couple of times. Could be a winner if you wanted to get romantic and do some star gazing

[Taz]

[quote="muskie"][/quote]

Just out of interest, does your fuel filter housing have the hand pump on top?

[muskie]

Just out of interest, does your fuel filter housing have the hand pump on top?

oddly enough yes it does, my last patrol had a stand alone pump towards the front of the engine (oil filter side), this also had an inline pump. out of interest why do you ask that?

[Taz]

Just out of interest, does your fuel filter housing have the hand pump on top?

oddly enough yes it does, my last patrol had a stand alone pump towards the front of the engine (oil filter side), this also had an inline pump. out of interest why do you ask that?

Was just curious if all y60's with inline pumps had the housing I've got or one of those.

This is mine.



My old Safari had a hand pump one also. This is an NZ new Patrol and I can't find any info on the filter (apart from the fact repco sells after market ones for $107 and don't carry them in stock )

Will start a new thread about it so I don't hijack yours anymore as I want to change to the other housing.

Cheers.

[muskie]

quote="Taz"]

Just out of interest, does your fuel filter housing have the hand pump on top?[/quote]


oddly enough yes it does, my last patrol had a stand alone pump towards the front of the engine (oil filter side), this also had an inline pump. out of interest why do you ask that?[/quote]

Was just curious if all y60's with inline pumps had the housing I've got or one of those.

This is mine.



My old Safari had a hand pump one also. This is an NZ new Patrol and I can't find any info on the filter (apart from the fact repco sells after market ones for $107 and don't carry them in stock )

Will start a new thread about it so I don't hijack yours anymore as I want to change to the other housing.

Cheers.[/quote]


funny you should mention this, i had one exactly the same as the pic, that was nz new. i fitted a standard fuel filter listed for all the other safari variants. i had a filter in the workshop on the shelf which i had bought for my preveous safari...when i fitted it i had to space the housing as it appears the nz new ones are a smaller diameter. fitted and never had a problem.

[muskie]

does it have a non servo assisted clutch aswell?? mine did

[Taz]

Hmm . The top of the filter I tried was approx 10mm bigger in diameter than that one and hit the side before I could thread it on. I didn't try for long though as I was heading out so maybe I just didn't get it perfectly lined up but I just can't see how theres room.

This filter does seem bigger in diameter and smaller in length than the repco ones I used to get, not that I studied the old ones much

[Taz]

does it have a non servo assisted clutch aswell?? mine did

No idea to be honest. Haven't had to deal with any clutches yet as have always driven autos.
The pedal is easy to push and there is possibly a HD clutch in there as it used to be turbo, so I'd say it is assisted, but I have nothing to compare it to, and don't know what to look for!

[muskie]

does it have a non servo assisted clutch aswell?? mine did

No idea to be honest. Haven't had to deal with any clutches yet as have always driven autos.
The pedal is easy to push and there is possibly a HD clutch in there as it used to be turbo, so I'd say it is assisted, but I have nothing to compare it to, and don't know what to look for!

if clutch is servo assisted, right next to the brake servo there will be a very similar but smaller black cylinder with the fluid pot. mine wasnt.

you will need to add a spacer to fit the standard fuel filter effectivly moving it about 15mm, same thread.

[Taz]

does it have a non servo assisted clutch aswell?? mine did

No idea to be honest. Haven't had to deal with any clutches yet as have always driven autos.
The pedal is easy to push and there is possibly a HD clutch in there as it used to be turbo, so I'd say it is assisted, but I have nothing to compare it to, and don't know what to look for!

if clutch is servo assisted, right next to the brake servo there will be a very similar but smaller black cylinder with the fluid pot. mine wasnt.

you will need to add a spacer to fit the standard fuel filter effectivly moving it about 15mm, same thread.

Missed you mentioning the spacer first time around. Cheers for that. I always overlook the small things!

Yeah its got a clutch booster in that case. Might have been a year thing as to wether thay had them or not.

Its amazing the differences that the 'same' vehicles can have aye. I fully understand why Ford are trying to move away from this.

Shame to see your selling your ute chopped rig btw! Wish I had the cash to grab that before you nabbed it a while ago. Its certainly looking like its a lot warmer in that cab now