gq on trade me

[muskie]

just in case any of you are looking at buying this truck, i was the winning bidder at $5080 tuesday evening....

i did my homework before collecting and spoke to the previous owner in auckland, it was stolen last year and recovered 3 months later (notice the different steering wheel and surround, stereo ripped out) car jam doesnt tell you this but car jam does say the vehicle is blue and silver.

the current owner has only had it 3 weeks.

i am not saying dont buy thats up to you i am just sharing the info i have with you so that you are able to make an informed decision, hey it might be a good truck, i just dont want to own it.

[Herd]

You should read the TradeMe terms and conditions and understand that if you are the succesful bidder in an auction you are legally bound to pay your money and take the goods. You are very lucky the vendor let you get away with it. You should do your home work before bidding!
However, if he sells the truck for less than the $5080, he can sue you in the small claims court for the difference.

[Engineer]

i did my homework before collecting

should be doing that before bidding.

[muskie]

spose i should have expected that response from certain types of people if you stumble on an auction with few minutes to go what do you do? bid or not bid or expect the seller has given all the information needed to make the judgement to buy..

do you really think that i havent spoken to the current owner and trademe and agreed that the vehicle wasnt advertised correctly, for gods sake some people??


ive edited the first post now so maybe one of you guys will end up with a stolen recovered truck with the dubious colour scheme which doesnt match your paperwork and has been clocked 113,060,00 kms,

i was only trying to be helpful, some people you just cant help

[DaveM]

ive edited the first post now so maybe one of you guys will end up with a stolen recovered truck with the dubious colour scheme which doesnt match your paperwork and has been clocked 113,060,00 kms,
help

The colour may have been a typo from the start, as blue/silver was never a factory option, and if you actually take your time to look at the odometer reading, you'll notice it hasn't been wound back, but a digit has been left off at wof time. It may at some stage have been diconnected to avoid RUC's but there are probably SFA genuine milage vehicles out there. Not really rocket science

[muskie]

ok fine, theres no getting round the stolen vehicle issue though.. if your happy with buying a stolen/recovered vehicle and the consquences that go with it ie poor resale value if someone checks insurance issues go for it no worries i dont care.

AS I SAID! in my first post i am not saying dont buy it! it might be a good truck, all i am doing is sharing the information i have with you as i wouldnt want to see someone get lumbered with something that may have dodgy history. i personally dont and i was dissapointed when i found out as i was looking forward to getting it........ IS THAT REALLY SO WRONG THAT ALL I GET IS GRIEF ABOUT IT??


oh and blue and silver are a factory patrol colour from that era. blue top silver bottom, i had one...

[Heath]

do you really think that i havent spoken to the current owner and trademe and agreed that the vehicle wasnt advertised correctly

Did the same thing a while ago when I bought a navara wagon on tard me as the guy didnt divulge the fact he didnt own it but his bosses did (massive finance issue) and he wanted me to pay him so he could pay them. I suggested I cut out the middle men and pay directly so it was nice and simple (he would get any remaining funds directly), oh yeah and he wanted cash nothing else (no transfers or cheques ). At this point it got messy and he refused to deal with me. I spoke to his bosses and they were not going to clear the debt on the vehicle until payment was made to them (either by me or by him - they didnt care either way).

Contacted trade me and they agreed that it was not clearly mentioned in the auction (he had to declare interests in the vehicle - full disclosure) and they let me out of the deal. He was really dark and sent abusive emails for about 2 weeks and blacklisted me so I couldnt return his emails - nice guy.

Bottom line was I didnt want a vehicle that could at some stage get repo'd because he never paid for it. Gutted me because it was what I have been looking for and got a good deal (maybe too good eh )

Buyer beware, do your homework and if in doubt walk away.

[muskie]

to be honest i am TOTALLY STUNNED that the majority of people who have replied think i am in the wrong here, personally i would want to know what i am buying and would be grateful if someone gave me the heads up about something i was buying........... i have learnt a valuable lesson today and that is to make sure i dont try to help anyone out in future and let them pay for there own mistakes, shocking.

[Herd]

to be honest i am TOTALLY STUNNED that the majority of people who have replied think i am in the wrong here, personally i would want to know what i am buying and would be grateful if someone gave me the heads up about something i was buying........... i have learnt a valuable lesson today and that is to make sure i dont try to help anyone out in future and let them pay for there own mistakes, shocking.

Well, what do you expect when you leave out the bit about "having spoken to TradeMe and the Vendor". Why would we assume more than what we have read and you have written.
What I was stating was commerical law as it relates to TradeMe and auctions. You were very lucky that the vendor has not held you to the bid - I presume he was aware that it had been stolen and had backed down on holding you to your bid. He has not amended the description in the latter add. Surely, if you have the evidence about it been stolen then you should get TradeMe to step in and do something. My understanding of Car Jam is that it will note a "Stolen report" only until it is recorded as being recovered. It is attempting to notify the enquirer in real time that a vehicle has been reported as stolen. It is not perporting to report a "Stolen`history".
My stand stll applies - you should do your research and ask questions of the vendor before you bid. if the auction only has minutes to run, then you assess your risk and decide to bid or not to bid - but don't forget the vendor can legally enforce a payover the bid amount in exchange for the goods.
I have negotiated full refunds and obtained parts to repair faults on items purchased on TradeMe and E-bay - as the goods received were not as advertised/described and that was after I had asked specific questions prior to bidding. I have also forced bidder to settle his bid obligations - he wanted to refute the bid because he discovered he could not programme a hand held R/T to be a CB radio - he had not done his research prior to bidding!

[muskie]

to be honest i am TOTALLY STUNNED that the majority of people who have replied think i am in the wrong here, personally i would want to know what i am buying and would be grateful if someone gave me the heads up about something i was buying........... i have learnt a valuable lesson today and that is to make sure i dont try to help anyone out in future and let them pay for there own mistakes, shocking.

Well, what do you expect when you leave out the bit about "having spoken to TradeMe and the Vendor". Why would we assume more than what we have read and you have written.
What I was stating was commerical law as it relates to TradeMe and auctions. You were very lucky that the vendor has not held you to the bid - I presume he was aware that it had been stolen and had backed down on holding you to your bid. He has not amended the description in the latter add. Surely, if you have the evidence about it been stolen then you should get TradeMe to step in and do something. My understanding of Car Jam is that it will note a "Stolen report" only until it is recorded as being recovered. It is attempting to notify the enquirer in real time that a vehicle has been reported as stolen. It is not perporting to report a "Stolen`history".
My stand stll applies - you should do your research and ask questions of the vendor before you bid. if the auction only has minutes to run, then you assess your risk and decide to bid or not to bid - but don't forget the vendor can legally enforce a payover the bid amount in exchange for the goods.
I have negotiated full refunds and obtained parts to repair faults on items purchased on TradeMe and E-bay - as the goods received were not as advertised/described and that was after I had asked specific questions prior to bidding. I have also forced bidder to settle his bid obligations - he wanted to refute the bid because he discovered he could not programme a hand held R/T to be a CB radio - he had not done his research prior to bidding!

thats your opinion, your acting like it was your truck! i dont need to give all the details, it was just a heads up.. the seller got a refund, i paid for a car jam report, it states the vehicle is blue and silver (thats why i rang the previous owner), ok the kms are explainable, i rang the previous owner and he explained clearly to me the history and outcome, there are other things he also mentioned but i will not write up on here, certainly not now anyway..

the fact that i pulled out of the deal has got ABSOLUTLY NOTHING DO WITH YOU and it is my business, remind me not to buy anything from you you obviously think its ok to sell something and not divulge all the information, dodgy man..

at the end of the day i was trying to warn other people about the truck as i thought that we looked out for one another within the 4 wheelin comunity but that is CLEARLY not the case all you want to do is start a hate campaign, i didnt expect to be questioned about my rights on trade me and what i can or cannot do that is my business and has nothing to do with anyone else if you guys prefer not to know then good on you go buy a heap of junk.

[Shane]

to be honest i am TOTALLY STUNNED that the majority of people who have replied think i am in the wrong here, personally i would want to know what i am buying and would be grateful if someone gave me the heads up about something i was buying........... i have learnt a valuable lesson today and that is to make sure i dont try to help anyone out in future and let them pay for there own mistakes, shocking.

Thanks for the heads up...

You can only please 1/2 the people 1/2 the time,I'm sure many have seen the thread and taken it in,you must have got the other half before they had there coffee...
Dont turn to the dark side,you'v done a good thing

Shane

[NJV6]

Who cares if it was stolen and recovered?

How does it make it less desirable? I would have thought if anything it might have made it a better deal.

[wopass]

vehicle information is appreciated by all the people who said nothing and all the people that pipe up need to go have coffee

11 replies (women who need coffee)
321 views (people who appreciate info)

give you an idea of the stats for and against

[pruggerdore]

Herd ,Think you might be the exception to the rule on trades that dont go thru. most people just shrug there shoulders and relist and move on. no drama. most people generaly accept that a winning bid is just an initial price agreement and contact point on vehicles as there are so many variables. I take it you one off those presure pot traders that insist on contact within 24hrs and payment within 3 days or bad feed back will be posted. I wont bid on those auctions. Most people arnt into forcing someone into buying something they dont want.

[NJV6]

Herd ,Think you might be the exception to the rule on trades that dont go thru. most people just shrug there shoulders and relist and move on. no drama. most people generaly accept that a winning bid is just an initial price agreement and contact point on vehicles as there are so many variables. I take it you one off those presure pot traders that insist on contact within 24hrs and payment within 3 days or bad feed back will be posted. I wont bid on those auctions. Most people arnt into forcing someone into buying something they dont want.

Eh? Its an auction! Real simple - if you don't want it - don't bid....!!!

If someone was careless enough to bid on one of my auctions and didn't come through I'd be pissed to. Mostly because TM takes so much in dam fees!!!!

[Herd]

NJV6, I agree!

[DaveM]

You seem to be a little confused. Where have people had a go at you for warning others of the vehicle? From what I see people just think you were careless to get yourself into that position i n the first place. 2 entirely different things

At the end of the day, you did what was best for you, and what anyone else thinks doesn't really matter

[Petemcc]

NJV6, I agree!

X2

With cars especially. Even if you describe stuff as best as you can there is always stuff you miss. If you have a two week auction and someone bids without viewing or even giving you a call to chat about it that pisses me off. Especially if they come round and find something they don't like when the other people that were bidding on it had come and looked and were happy with it.

Obviously there are times where stuff truly isn't as described (like this) and then thats a different story. But there aren't normally many times when people don't have time to at least give you a call.

Pete

[Landy Rover]

to be honest i am TOTALLY STUNNED that the majority of people who have replied think i am in the wrong here, personally i would want to know what i am buying and would be grateful if someone gave me the heads up about something i was buying........... i have learnt a valuable lesson today and that is to make sure i dont try to help anyone out in future and let them pay for there own mistakes, shocking.

Im stunned as well You've done a good deed so dont feel bad It APPEARS the seller had important info that he neglected to pass on, and therefore has given good reason not to see the trade through. Keep up the good work and dont let this stop you from doing good things in the future. Im sure most of us appreciate it and we could all do with more people like yourself

[DaveM]

Im stunned as well You've done a good deed so dont feel bad It APPEARS the seller had important info that he neglected to pass on, and therefore has given good reason not to see the trade through. Keep up the good work and dont let this stop you from doing good things in the future. Im sure most of us appreciate it and we could all do with more people like yourself

Another one Where has someone said what muskie is doing is bad? The only things mentioned was him bidding BEFORE checking the vehicle.

Who cares if the paint doesn't match? The milage was an error, and did the seller know it was a stolen/recovered vehicle? Even if he did, if no one asks, the seller is not obligated to put that on his listing.

Again, if you can actually read, this is not saying muskie is wrong for posting his "warning" up.

[Landy Rover]

Why even say he should of done this or that? Why not just say, "thanks for the info" That is what the subject is about, not wether hes broken TM rules or whatever.

[wisard2]

Why even say he should of done this or that? Why not just say, "thanks for the info" That is what the subject is about, not wether hes broken TM rules or whatever.

Totally agree!

[DaveM]

If it has nothing to do with TM, there should be no mention of being the winning bidder either then, or accuse the seller of not advertising correctly.

[pruggerdore]

I have bought 5 cars off trade me. traveling anywhere to get Wat I want including the south island. I wasnt going to travel those sought of distances just to view on the off chance I won the auction. Fortunately most are honest and accurately describe so carrying thru wasn't a problem. once I havnt completed trade as he was not honest with his info over the ph. he didn't place bad feedback as he understood it was his fault. point Im making is viewing and checking something out thoroughly before bidding is not always possible.

[DaveM]

I have bought 5 cars off trade me. traveling anywhere to get Wat I want including the south island. I wasnt going to travel those sought of distances just to view on the off chance I won the auction. Fortunately most are honest and accurately describe so carrying thru wasn't a problem. once I havnt completed trade as he was not honest with his info over the ph. he didn't place bad feedback as he understood it was his fault. point Im making is viewing and checking something out thoroughly before bidding is not always possible.

This is true, but there is a difference between being given false information, and simply not checking things out for yourself.
If you are unsure, you say you will bid on the condition that it passes an inspection, or you get one done BEFORE bidding.

The guy selling the Safari may well have known it was previously stolen, but unless asked, why would he have to mention it?
I can see why Muskie may be getting a little upset, as he was just trying to point out a couple of concerns so others don't get caught out, so I'll leave it at that

[Swaney]

to be honest i am TOTALLY STUNNED that the majority of people who have replied think i am in the wrong here, personally i would want to know what i am buying and would be grateful if someone gave me the heads up about something i was buying........... i have learnt a valuable lesson today and that is to make sure i dont try to help anyone out in future and let them pay for there own mistakes, shocking.

x1,000,000,000,000 its farkin unreal