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the hilux shaggas
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:59 pm
by gary_in_nz
been looking at getting one of the shagga's but after reading the specs reckon they could do with a few more herbs.
has anyone come across any upgrades to do with turbo and boost and manifolds?? i see there is a UniChip out for it but the increase in power is not a hell of a lot. what is the factory boost pressure??
been searching google for the last hour and a half and cant find squat on the 7th generation hilux specs.
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:47 pm
by mudbugga
We've had a few through work that have had the upgraded "chip".
It's actually a separate in-line ecu that just plugs into the std wiring and ecu. It does seem to make quite a difference to the power range.
Haven't seen anything done to manifolds, quite a few have bigger exhaust system fitted though.
The turbo is ecu controlled as the turbo is an electronically controlled variable vane system. They have no wastegate due to the variable system.
I don't have any idea what the std boost would be, we've never had to fit a gauge or measure the boost yet.
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:58 pm
by rokhound
Have a mate of mine who has a chipped (or new ecu) 3.0ltr one of these, he loves it.
After the increase in rego and the fact that I need to run an 03 (min) ruc sticker, I am going to look into buying a V6 version of one of these.
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:02 pm
by gary_in_nz
ok yeah had thought that was the case with the ecu's. since the new navara's are about 140kw's out of a 2.5 litre i would have thought that some aftermarket bits would be floating around now since the shaggas have been around since 2005, i will keep my eye out and post back anything i find.
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:42 am
by Sawdoc
A mate of mine bought a new shagga with a upgraded chip (factory warranty) that is 152 kw, but not sure of the torque rating. He loves it.
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:45 am
by callum007
I reckon they are under powered and the gearing is too tall from factory. interested in whether those inline chips will void factory warranty. want to try one in the mitsi. supposed to take it to 190kw and 500Nm
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:09 pm
by badnuz
steinbauer make a great chip, the main difference with them is they DONT increase fuel rail pressure. fitting one cannot instantly void the factory warranty.....
http://www.steinbauer.cc/neu/index.php?car_engine=17119the beauty of these modules is the total electronic control of the fuel delivery.... we have sold and installed heaps of these!
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:48 pm
by callum007
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:27 pm
by rokhound
callum007 wrote:how can 2 things similar cost soo much different.
Because Mitzi owners are peasants
If you buy cheap, you have to resell the same way
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:30 pm
by Bulletproof
According to the wreckers here they are a load of rubbish.
They sell heaps for them because they just dont last like the old Hiluxs.
Cheers Richard
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:50 pm
by badnuz
one mearly trys to push more fuel thru the injection system, the other electronically controls it
(and hence y it costs more.. would you want a $740 product from a no-face TM dealer when your 60k utes motor goes pop?)
my boss's shagga ute is 160km and has been offroad more than a lot of them, and it has a steinbauer fitted with no problems whatsoever.
remember no one regrets buying quality!
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:11 pm
by Heath
badnuz wrote: remember no one regrets buying quality!
True, quality remains long after the price is forgotten! Problem is my wife never forgets...
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:53 pm
by haynzy
Bulletproof wrote:According to the wreckers here they are a load of rubbish.
They sell heaps for them because they just dont last like the old Hiluxs.
Cheers Richard
They are a completlr different vehicle now targeted at a different owner, people who buy a $60k ute dont to feel like they are driving a tractor, after having hiluxes since they came out my father went to a courier in 2005 and could not believe how better he felt at the end of the day out on the farm and thiat was for a vehicle that was used off road every day. Got him the same places his hilux would but just in a little more comfort. My brother now has taken over and has a 2006 hilux and again uses it every day and apart from the scrub scratches on the side has not had any worries, and again it is used more offroad than on with 6 working dogs in the back most of the time.
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:09 pm
by mudbugga
They certainly don't last like the older utes.
We are rebuilding them almost all the time.
They just can't handle what kiwi farmers do to them (here in the south anyway). Come to mention it, the new v8 Landcruisers can't handle it either. All the new trucks have gone soft.
So far all the cocky's I've spoken to want a truck that is back to basics. No electrics (to get drowned or be eaten by mice/rats), no poofy interior trimmings (to get all caked in crap), decent bash guards (that can actually handle what they're made for), proper articulation from suspension, good low range gearing, a good rear tray, and good power output. They don't ask for much do they.
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:53 pm
by Heath
Sounds like an old forty or patrol is the right wagon then.
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:31 pm
by Bulletproof
haynzy wrote: My brother now has taken over and has a 2006 hilux and again uses it every day and apart from the scrub scratches on the side has not had any worries, and again it is used more offroad than on with 6 working dogs in the back most of the time.
I have never owned one so have no first hand experience. The wreckers are selling heaps of spares for them.
You can hardly say your brothers one has stood the test of time. It is only 4 years old and only just out of warranty.
The only thing I know for sure is that my old beat up 24 year old hilux has never been out performed by a Sheep shagger or V8 modified hilux in its life.
Cheers Richard
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:56 pm
by haynzy
Bulletproof wrote:[
The only thing I know for sure is that my old beat up 24 year old hilux has never been out performed by a Sheep shagger or V8 modified hilux in its life.
Cheers Richard
If I had a dollar for every time ive seen that post on here I could afford to buy my own shagger
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:22 pm
by haydgq
haynzy wrote:Bulletproof wrote:[
The only thing I know for sure is that my old beat up 24 year old hilux has never been out performed by a Sheep shagger or V8 modified hilux in its life.
Cheers Richard
If I had a dollar for every time ive seen that post on here I could afford to buy my own shagger
Yea Dave we would all be rich if that was the case, he acts like his truck is a stock standard old thing that pisses all over every other truck in NZ, but in fact its highly modded twin locked Lux with a lot of money thrown at it so it should be farken capable so great for Richard that he's got a good truck but why does he blow his own Trumpet every 5 seconds
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:58 am
by Bulletproof
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:33 pm
by J_Dub
to bad its butt fcuk ugly, been hit will the ugly stick more than you
so how long have you been a musician Richard? been playing the trumpet a while now yea???
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:42 pm
by niblik
**threadjack**
i'm lovin the rover bulletproof... its awesome.. thumbs up..
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:22 pm
by Bulletproof
All joking aside. As long as the ruts were not too deep an 11hp 1597cc landrover on 650x16 SATs would out perform a sheep shagga truck that doesn't even have a solid axle.
Cheers Richard
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:51 pm
by haynzy
Bulletproof wrote:All joking aside. As long as the ruts were not too deep an 11hp 1597cc landrover on 650x16 SATs would out perform a sheep shagga truck that doesn't even have a solid axle.
Cheers Richard
who cares, would it out perform one with a 2t boat on behind, could you comfortably drive from bluff to keri keri in an old landy. they are no longer designed for the same purpose the originals were, it is like saying a d6 bulldozer will out perform it. different vehicles for different uses.
The fact is all modern 4wds are designed more as a 70% on road vehicle than off.
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:18 am
by koma
Anybody knows they stoped making real hilux's soon after crumpy died. You buy a work ute cause you want a work ute, not for nansey pansying around the country. We got our hilux over 15 years ago, 1st year dad had it he did 52000km in it with alsorts of loads on board. Its towed countless 2-3ton trailers(Unbraked, but don't tell anyone), lived outside and on the coast on a mine site the whole time. Hardly ever seen any love, and after a good 300 ood thou of abuse its never made me walk home. Only real things i would have done differently at the time if i was toyota would have been to coil the front end, put the 1kz in it and give it a bigger fuel filler and maybe a little more padding in the seats. Sorry about my rant but its a shame to see a vehicle of such great history go down like this, they should have kept the hilux as a work ute and had a pansey wagon version for those that buy a 4wd for giggles.
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:25 pm
by smurf182
The Hilux is regularly NZs top selling commercial vehicle.
In June for example
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/3893066/New-car-sales-jumpToyota are producing a vehicle to suit customer demand and doing it bloody well.
Any one who choses a 20yo leaf sprung lux over a new one for long distance work must be a little bit masochistic. If you're talking something that spends all day in the back paddock then it would be different, but who buys a brand new truck for that.
I know which one I'd chose for a work truck.
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:47 pm
by badnuz
The wreckers are selling heaps of spares for them.
there is a logical progression here, heaps on the roads, hence heaps of accidents hence heaps of spares sold to fix them! fact is they are selling twice as many Hiluxs as D40s, or any other modern 4wd.
its a fair call that they dont build them like they used to, its called progression. im 25 yrs time we will be buying shagga hiluxs and doing SAS on them and saying yeah cool old trucks!
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:59 pm
by haynzy
badnuz wrote:The wreckers are selling heaps of spares for them.
there is a logical progression here, heaps on the roads, hence heaps of accidents hence heaps of spares sold to fix them! fact is they are selling twice as many Hiluxs as D40s, or any other modern 4wd.
The question remains that if as much money and time that was put into a certain 24yro hilux was put into a shagger , how capable would it be, insert arctic truck here
its a fair call that they dont build them like they used to, its called progression. im 25 yrs time we will be buying shagga hiluxs and doing SAS on them and saying yeah cool old trucks!
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:01 pm
by NJV6
badnuz wrote:im 25 yrs time we will be buying shagga hiluxs and doing SAS on them and saying yeah cool old trucks!
Na, can't see over the bonnett!!!!! I borrowed Bruce's V8 beamed one one weekend - what a big brute!!!
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:03 pm
by badnuz
Re: the hilux shaggas
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:02 pm
by koma
Still don't do it for me, stock for stock if i was buying a work ute I'd rather a 106. I hope I get proven wrong but like anything that seems to come out these days its all good for the first few years then niggle after niggle just keep coming up. They're nice utes for tripping the country no doubt and I cant deny that, but for a work hack I'd be supprised if they will have been as trouble free in 25yrs. Same with machinery to, just dont make it like they used to.
