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Hi all,

After deciding to do a repower in my sj413 i ended up buying an entire 8v injected escudo with a stuffed body to get the engine/loom from.

First question: How much of the wiring loom do i have to take out for the auto sparky, eg the wires to all the lights or just the engine bay/dash?

Second question: does the fuel pump from the escudo tank fit into the sj one?

Third question: What else should i be putting onto the sj from the escudo for example disk brakes, power steering etc etc.

Cheers in advance, would rather do this once and do it right!!

My Samurai had the repower already done, so can't comment to that - but I did strip some bits from an Escudo at pickapart - what I do know works:

Brakes:
bigger Calipers and vented disks from a LWB escudo, good upgrade to the Samurai front - and frees the disks for a rear disk conversion. Keep the front wheel studs too - they're longer than the 413 rears, and you need them if you go to a rear disk setup. The SWB escudo doesn't have vented disks, so LWB is the go if you've got one. Bigger vacuum brake booster should fit the Samurai, but you have to shave and slightly move the heater valve and very slightly open up the mounting hole on the firewall. Great with a subaru bigger master cylinder if you're really playing with braking. The power steering box makes a good upgrade for the 413, if you're going bigger tyres, some people reckon they're not strong enough, but if you've got one sitting there... And I believe if you have the Escudo lower steering shaft with the universal joints, you don't need to make up a wedge block to correct the shaft angle. I'm sure someone will correct me if that's wrong, but it seems to be how mine was done.

If your 413 doesn't have aircon, you can fit the escudo in with a bunch of work (why?), or keep the pump and go endless air (mine's halfway through...)

The Escudo radiator can be fitted, using the Escudo brackets cut down, although the 413 radiator shoudl cope if it's clean and in good nick (I'll be doing this one when I get around to it or overheat).

Longer bonnet release cable (hell wth emptying the glovebox every time you need the engine bay).
hmm - what else? Front diff ring and pinion are probably 5.125 ratio, a pair of those gives you standard gearing when running 33" tyres, so you're halfway there. I've got a pair waiting to transplant to mine, saves getting a change to lower transfer gears.

I'm using the escudo body mounts as transfer case mounts, with a bolt straight through (stronger than std transfer mounts, and won't snap off of the rubber fails).

If it's a SWB you can fit the petrol tank in (needs mounts modified) so you can get more than a few hundred k's per tank. Saves having to muck about with high-pressure fuel pumps etc too (if you're going EFI - mines carbed )

thats a start, hopefully there's other ideas out there...

Take the whole loom and trim off what you dont need. Its a bitch of a job so best to do in a comfortable place. Remove all the tape and using a wiring diag remove everything you dont need. My vitara was running 16V with only 3 fuses. Power to ECU, fuel pump relay and general power (I think).

Rotazuk might have a wiring diag if you ask nicely. He may even have a loom he can sell ya (do you still do these Chris?)

Search for the suzuki downloads and grab a diag from there. Being an 8V it will be really simple to do I think.

Heath

I fitted the samurai manifolds to the 1600 and used the stock loom. Was a couple hour refit. Had a mate tweak the carb for more fuel. Works all good.
O needed an electric fuel pump too.
This used all the sammy intake bits so looked all legit for wof etc.

Never needed upgraded brakes so know nothing bout that.

PM Ben - he does (or did) adaptor kits for G16A to 413 gearbox. I did the conversion on my old Samurai with a 16v and the power increase was great!

It's a good idea to put extractors on these engines as it helps to get the heat away from the head to prevent cracking.

Heath is right about the wiring loom, but it is worth the effort.

None of the other bits off an Escudo/ Vitara fit a 413 really...

As Cleary said - I make adaptor kits for fit the 1600 up to the 1300 box and engine mounts if you need one.

You need to get all the loom out. The engine loom is integrated with the main loom. You will need to strip all the tape off and cut out the un-needed stuff like lights and heater etc.
I allways take the whole dash out when removing the loom.
Let me know if you want someone to convert your loom. I have done a couple now so getting easier...

If you get a later tank from a coily Samurai you can bolt in the Vitara pump, otherwise just use an external pump. I use a VL Commodore pump mounted where the stock fuel filter goes.

If its an 8V then it will be a SWB, so it will have the small front brakes. The LWB front brakes are worth swapping over as they are vented and have bigger pistons in the caliper.

Power steering is also worth keeping. Then all you need is one of my power steering kits to install it

Ben

Such a terrible display of capitalisim. Preying on the poor mans desire for a mini monster truck!

Go with Ben's stuff, he's put a lot of time into them and it shows with the final product (I'll be getting bits off him when I do my next creation... ). Get him to do a package deal and get the rear brake set up too so you can swap your front calipers to the rear with the front disks and be disks all round.

Hey Ben what did you ever do with that 8v head I gave ya (or was it the block - cant remember)? I'm curious as you said you had a plan...

Maybe some captive engine mounts to handle the really rough stuff would be a good next project.

Cheers for the replies guys

So from reading through i need:
Engine
Entire loom
Gearbox adaptor
wiring diagram
Electric fuel pump or escudo fuel tank and pump
Escudo speedo cluster

Should put on:
Disk brakes for rear
Power steering (unsure if i need the kit, have the universal joints??)

May need (will hold on to):
Manual locking hubs
Escudo radiator and mounts

Only have 30inch tyres so not worried about diff ratios

Does this sound right? Feel free to correct me

Cheers
Dean

Yep, your list sounds pretty good, just one thing to add.

Keep the speedo cluster out of the Vit - you will need the vehicle speed sensor (VSS), although being an 8V it may not have one. Best to keep it anyway till you know for sure.

You can put the Vit p/s on if you drill new holes in the chassis and weld in crush tubes and modify the steering shaft etc with multiple universals. Or did I mention you could but my bolt in kit?

Ben

Ben wrote:Or did I mention you could but my bolt in kit?

Ben

Shameless. How about package deals? Pay for 3 get 2 sort of things