new truck poll - cruiser or rover ? you choose.

[Landynut]

honest unbiased opinions please, I want to know what you would do with around 67~68 grand buying a new truck.

2010 land cruiser 70 series ...

OR

2010 land rover defender ...

vehicle to be used mainly for going to town, towing trailer loads of posts and fencing gear etc (light stuff) with the occasional heavy load (wool bales etc, once a year)

no real off-roading just around the farm tracks when its dry..

the outcome of this poll will dictate the spending of almost 70k

[gimmemud]

My work mate has a new 70 series flat deck. Nice to drive and sounds good. Don't like the fact that you have to get leaf springs in the rear though. Have heard the motors don't have a great reputation. Haven't seen a new defender, but the 70 series i've seen haven't seemed to move with the future much apart from the engine.

[wjw]

I know I own a cruiser, but I'd still have a defender

btw, last time I priced a new one here, it was cheaper to buy one in the UK, ship it over etc..

Even when I bought mine in the UK a 2000 model, it was 22,000GBP on the road in the UK, but only 16,000GBP in Belgium. So ended up buying in Belgium and shipping to UK... stupid eh!

[Landynut]

I know I own a cruiser, but I'd still have a defender

btw, last time I priced a new one here, it was cheaper to buy one in the UK, ship it over etc..

Even when I bought mine in the UK a 2000 model, it was 22,000GBP on the road in the UK, but only 16,000GBP in Belgium. So ended up buying in Belgium and shipping to UK... stupid eh!

thats interesting, worth looking into I spose... from the dealer in new zealand they are both around 67 ~ 68 grand and not too worried about money.. it just has to be the classiest and bestest truck for what I'm spending....

If anyone could tell me the difference between a normal 70 and an LX 70 that'd be great... I mean besides the 8 grand difference, they look the same... does the LX have bum warmers or something?

[badnuz]

If anyone could tell me the difference between a normal 70 and an LX 70 that'd be great... I mean besides the 8 grand difference, they look the same... does the LX have bum warmers or something?

GOTO YOUR TOYOTA DEALER AND ASK THEM? maybe even test drive one?

try lee european for near new defenders etc

http://www.leeeuropean.co.nz/

[Landynut]

If anyone could tell me the difference between a normal 70 and an LX 70 that'd be great... I mean besides the 8 grand difference, they look the same... does the LX have bum warmers or something?

GOTO YOUR TOYOTA DEALER AND ASK THEM? maybe even test drive one?

try lee european for near new defenders etc

http://www.leeeuropean.co.nz/

just wondering what the 8 thousand dollar difference is because they look the same and the specs listed on the website are the same so why the 8 grand difference . . . if you dont know, you dont need to answer that question....

[Landynut]

If anyone could tell me the difference between a normal 70 and an LX 70 that'd be great... I mean besides the 8 grand difference, they look the same... does the LX have bum warmers or something?

GOTO YOUR TOYOTA DEALER AND ASK THEM? maybe even test drive one?

try lee european for near new defenders etc

http://www.leeeuropean.co.nz/

cheers for that! I wasn't aware of lee european I had been dealing with armstrong prestige in wellington..

[Landynut]

I know I own a cruiser, but I'd still have a defender

btw, last time I priced a new one here, it was cheaper to buy one in the UK, ship it over etc..

Even when I bought mine in the UK a 2000 model, it was 22,000GBP on the road in the UK, but only 16,000GBP in Belgium. So ended up buying in Belgium and shipping to UK... stupid eh!

Hey I looked into ordering a defender ex uk and it seems I could get one about $25,000nzd cheaper, take maybe 5 grand off to ship it over here and on-road costs etc? thats a lot of money when you think about it, could buy a new wool press for that.....

kiwi dollar must be pretty strong at the moment ! worth pouncing?

[NJV6]

Why don't you use your series 2 seems as it is so awesome! $70 is a lot of petrol for the 202...

[Landynut]

Why don't you use your series 2 seems as it is so awesome! $70 is a lot of petrol for the 202...

series 3, and its far too awesome to use on the road

$70 is a lot of petrol for what now?? you lost me, I have no idea what you are on about . . . .

[NJV6]

Sorry I meant $70,000 for you to put into petrol and drive the series 3 around...

[Landynut]

Sorry I meant $70,000 for you to put into petrol and drive the series 3 around...

ah I c now I follow ya....

its not actually for me its for a mate

If I had 70 grand I would be putting an international 2.8 turbo diesel + lt85 5 speed gearbox in my series 3 and restoring it to the condition it was in when it rolled off the factory floor + a few flashy mods.....

imo toyotas can go suck a lemon (i.e. another toyota), p.o.s. jappa things....

[skid]

imo toyotas can go suck a lemon (i.e. another toyota), p.o.s. jappa things....

dude, I don't wanna get into a shit fight or anything, but lets be honest here.............

ever since your first post on here you've bagged other folks trucks and generally upset a few people with your comments

you've continuously stated your series 3 is the best truck in the world

and then you ask a question like this when and then make the above quote

why even bother dude, you're wasting everyones time


and just to add my 2c to the actual topic...........

Toyota have been making good, strong, sturdy workhorse flatdeck cruisers for well over 40 years now and the reason they haven't changed much apart from the power plant is coz they have proven to be one of the best workhorsee time and time again

as you were

[haynzy]

imo toyotas can go suck a lemon (i.e. another toyota), p.o.s. jappa things....

dude, I don't wanna get into a shit fight or anything, but lets be honest here.............

ever since your first post on here you've bagged other folks trucks and generally upset a few people with your comments

you've continuously stated your series 3 is the best truck in the world

and then you ask a question like this when and then make the above quote

why even bother dude, you're wasting everyones time


and just to add my 2c to the actual topic...........

Toyota have been making good, strong, sturdy workhorse flatdeck cruisers for well over 40 years now and the reason they haven't changed much apart from the power plant is coz they have proven to be one of the best workhorsee time and time again

as you were

skid ya full of it if 70s were that good crumpy would a had one but no he had a hilux, oh wait hang on I have a 70 ,
go the the yotas, least the resale is good

[Landynut]

imo toyotas can go suck a lemon (i.e. another toyota), p.o.s. jappa things....

^ get a sense a humour mate ^

dude, I don't wanna get into a shit fight or anything, but lets be honest here.............

^ then dont throw shit ^

ever since your first post on here you've bagged other folks trucks and generally upset a few people with your comments

^ thats untrue, I do not bag other peoples trucks, or their decisions - they can drive what they like, if my opinion matters that much to them I should be a politician.... ^

you've continuously stated your series 3 is the best truck in the world

^ that is because I love my truck, it has served me incredibly well, and its my opinion about my truck, people say the same thing about their jeeps and fords and nissans and mitsubishis, and sometimes, just sometimes... even toyotas... ^

and then you ask a question like this when and then make the above quote

^ that sentence came straight out of a chingrish workshop manual, at least mine were printed using the oxford dictionary... and that lemon bit was a joke, fyi... ^

why even bother dude, you're wasting everyones time

^ $70k will be spent on the outcome of this poll, and you call it a waste of time... k ^

and just to add my 2c to the actual topic...........

Toyota have been making good, strong, sturdy workhorse flatdeck cruisers for well over 40 years now and the reason they haven't changed much apart from the power plant is coz they have proven to be one of the best workhorsee time and time again
^ really? landrover have been doin that for over 60 years too, at the end of the day he just wanted to gauge other peoples opinions via an unbiased poll....
as you were

so he's probably going to be buying a cruiser by the looks of the poll (which was the point) so my opinion is irrelevant, but I am allowed to have one aren't I ?

I would never coerce anyone into buying something because of MY opinion - that would be unfair, people have to make decisions for themselves....... so take a chill pill mate...

I know cruisers are good trucks, and I have not "bagged" anybody elses trucks in particular...

Please excuse any of my comments which may not contain the degree of sarcasm that I exherted on the keyboard - sometimes it is lost in translation from brain to text to brain again . . .

[Landynut]

the hilux would have to be the most common farm hack in nz i'd say, but that doesn't mean its the best, it just means it was CHEAP!

[Landynut]

lol didnt quite catch the quote button before you deleted your post J_dub....

yeah I told him to buy a hilux, but hes not interested in them aye.. for 45 grand they are not bad value...

[Landynut]

the defender would be a 130 high capacity double cab, not a 90 or 110.. thats what he wants anyway... he was thinking a 130 d/cab and chassis, maybe even 130 with a single cab, then get a nice tough flatdeck made up for it... big enough to fit about 4-6 180kg wool bales on the truck, and another dozen or so on the trailer.... also a custom stock crate would be built for the back...

whats the longest wheelbase cruiser you can get?

I'm also thinking cruisers are part-time 4wd, rovers are full-time? any thoughts on this? icey or wet tarmac destroying the cruisers transfer box?


edit** ^ I'm wondering now if toyota even make something comparable to the 130? you might be right skid, this thread was a waste of time hahahaha long live landrover!

all useful comments appreciated..

[Swamped]

imo toyotas can go suck a lemon (i.e. another toyota), p.o.s. jappa things....

^ get a sense a humour mate ^

dude, I don't wanna get into a shit fight or anything, but lets be honest here.............

^ then dont throw shit ^

ever since your first post on here you've bagged other folks trucks and generally upset a few people with your comments

^ thats untrue, I do not bag other peoples trucks, or their decisions - they can drive what they like, if my opinion matters that much to them I should be a politician.... ^

you've continuously stated your series 3 is the best truck in the world

^ that is because I love my truck, it has served me incredibly well, and its my opinion about my truck, people say the same thing about their jeeps and fords and nissans and mitsubishis, and sometimes, just sometimes... even toyotas... ^

and then you ask a question like this when and then make the above quote

^ that sentence came straight out of a chingrish workshop manual, at least mine were printed using the oxford dictionary... and that lemon bit was a joke, fyi... ^

why even bother dude, you're wasting everyones time

^ $70k will be spent on the outcome of this poll, and you call it a waste of time... k ^

and just to add my 2c to the actual topic...........

Toyota have been making good, strong, sturdy workhorse flatdeck cruisers for well over 40 years now and the reason they haven't changed much apart from the power plant is coz they have proven to be one of the best workhorsee time and time again
^ really? landrover have been doin that for over 60 years too, at the end of the day he just wanted to gauge other peoples opinions via an unbiased poll....
as you were

so he's probably going to be buying a cruiser by the looks of the poll (which was the point) so my opinion is irrelevant, but I am allowed to have one aren't I ?

I would never coerce anyone into buying something because of MY opinion - that would be unfair, people have to make decisions for themselves....... so take a chill pill mate...

I know cruisers are good trucks, and I have not "bagged" anybody elses trucks in particular...

Please excuse any of my comments which may not contain the degree of sarcasm that I exherted on the keyboard - sometimes it is lost in translation from brain to text to brain again . . .

I had nothing to do with it this time.....


I do find it kind of odd someone would base such an expensive decision on public opinion though. Just read and read and make a call. Meh each to their own.
Go the cruiser......

[lilpigzuk]

... big enough to fit about 4-6 180kg wool bales on the truck, and another dozen or so on the trailer.... also a custom stock crate would be built for the back...


all useful comments appreciated..

The Tcdi is only a 2.4L 4 cylinder turbo diesel, so its going to be working at its limit all the time if thats the loads he will be carrying/pulling. The cruiser is a 4.5 V8. Surely with the engine specs the crusier is a hands down winner

[Landynut]

... big enough to fit about 4-6 180kg wool bales on the truck, and another dozen or so on the trailer.... also a custom stock crate would be built for the back...


all useful comments appreciated..

The Tcdi is only a 2.4L 4 cylinder turbo diesel, so its going to be working at its limit all the time if thats the loads he will be carrying/pulling. The cruiser is a 4.5 V8. Surely with the engine specs the crusier is a hands down winner

I would have thought so but after a lot of research the engines are not that dissimilar..

frstly its only going to be carting wool a couple of times a year, otherwise it'll just be little loads of wire and battens/posts etc...

the 2.4 defender motor is 360nm of torque, 90% of that delivered at less than 2,200rpm - which I find absolutely amazing !!! how the fk did they get a 4 cylinder to do that ?!?!?

the cruiser V8 is 460nm of torque, but at higher revs... when you consider it has twice the cylinders, and almost double the displacement - it is not a "vastly" gruntier motor....

so if its only towing heavy loads once a year, the cruiser would have a higher annual fuel cost as compared with the defender?

the part-time / full time 4wd thing is something I will have to look further into tho....

having a centre diff has its benefits...

[Landynut]

... big enough to fit about 4-6 180kg wool bales on the truck, and another dozen or so on the trailer.... also a custom stock crate would be built for the back...


all useful comments appreciated..

The Tcdi is only a 2.4L 4 cylinder turbo diesel, so its going to be working at its limit all the time if thats the loads he will be carrying/pulling. The cruiser is a 4.5 V8. Surely with the engine specs the crusier is a hands down winner

further to that, the defender has this "anti-stall" device.... you can hook it up to an 18 wheeler truck, take the clutch off without touching the accelerator and it will pull it smoothly without stalling.... he is not what I would classify as an "expert" driver, so this could potentially be of huge benefit to him..

weighing up all the options/features that come with each truck is half the battle, so the more people add to this the better...

for instance if someone could fill me in on the part-time(cruiser) / full-time(rover) 4wd pro's and con's that'd be great....

didnt cruisers used to be full-time?
is that something they axed to cut costs?

[curly12]

... big enough to fit about 4-6 180kg wool bales on the truck, and another dozen or so on the trailer.... also a custom stock crate would be built for the back...


all useful comments appreciated..

The Tcdi is only a 2.4L 4 cylinder turbo diesel, so its going to be working at its limit all the time if thats the loads he will be carrying/pulling. The cruiser is a 4.5 V8. Surely with the engine specs the crusier is a hands down winner

further to that, the defender has this "anti-stall" device.... you can hook it up to an 18 wheeler truck, take the clutch off without touching the accelerator and it will pull it smoothly without stalling.... he is not what I would classify as an "expert" driver, so this could potentially be of huge benefit to him..

weighing up all the options/features that come with each truck is half the battle, so the more people add to this the better...

for instance if someone could fill me in on the part-time(cruiser) / full-time(rover) 4wd pro's and con's that'd be great....

didnt cruisers used to be full-time?
is that something they axed to cut costs?

I will say it for lot of people here..... you are a cock and fark off and we don't give a flying fark about you or what you think. And this information is worth what you paid for it. p.s. you are still a cock

[Landynut]

I will say it for lot of people here..... you are a cock and fark off and we don't give a flying fark about you or what you think. And this information is worth what you paid for it. p.s. you are still a cock

hey good for you, I can tell you finished primary school... well done, obviously however, you achieved your maximum potential when you learned how to spell "cock"...

is it my intellect that threatens you or the fact that you are just so damn ugly by comparison?

[Landynut]

btw those chaps over at the nz4wd magazine must be real fuckwits since they awarded the new defender car of the year aye...

I started this thread to discuss the differences between cruiser and defender 2010 models, as I was genuinely interested with researching them both thoroughly. if people cant keep their attitudes out of it then #### it I guess, total waste of time.

[Heath]

The later model cruisers are perdominately full time 4wd (80, 100, 105, 200 and the prado 90,120,150 are full time), but the work horses seem to be part time 4wd. Maybe its because they are work horses built for tuff stuff and not for road driving (which most later stuff seems to be now) and the complexity of a centre difflock would make them more prone to damage (prados are a good example of a weak centre difflock) so not usefull in a workhorse environment.

Buggered if I know why crusers are part time and rovers are full time. Different worlds and uses maybe so different specs.

I'd contact a few well know mechanics around NZ and ask what vehicles they see most of and work from there. At the end of the day it may just come down to personal feel while driving rather than real life facts and figures. Why else would we drive such a varied range of wagons if one was the best, shouldnt we all have those? Its personal choice and what I want and what you want and some other guy wants will be different I'd bet.

[badnuz]

mate you stir up a nest again, and only half info is provided! if you had stated you were wasting internet space to get ideas for a mate, we may have been more forthcoming!!!

that aside, i have driven a new defender and V8 70..... to me the defender has astonishing tourqe down low and the 6 speed is mated perfectly....

HOWEVER

all that power from a small dispalcement engine? bit like the D40s and Shaggas, they are all starting to fall apart at 150kms....

THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR CUBIC DISPLACEMENT

except for rotaries, caus ethey are fucken cool! just like Skid and Curly: farken cool people that most people like due to their contributions to all things 4x4ing.....

you need to get out on some trips so people can meet you and then decide if your a true dick, or a nice guy that has issues behind the keyboard....

[Landynut]

The later model cruisers are perdominately full time 4wd (80, 100, 105, 200 and the prado 90,120,150 are full time), but the work horses seem to be part time 4wd. Maybe its because they are work horses built for tuff stuff and not for road driving (which most later stuff seems to be now) and the complexity of a centre difflock would make them more prone to damage (prados are a good example of a weak centre difflock) so not usefull in a workhorse environment.

Buggered if I know why crusers are part time and rovers are full time. Different worlds and uses maybe so different specs.

I'd contact a few well know mechanics around NZ and ask what vehicles they see most of and work from there. At the end of the day it may just come down to personal feel while driving rather than real life facts and figures. Why else would we drive such a varied range of wagons if one was the best, shouldnt we all have those? Its personal choice and what I want and what you want and some other guy wants will be different I'd bet.

Thats a good perspective heath, thanks for the centre diff info... seems wierd and correct me if im wrong, but if you go from mud/gravel to tarmac in a part-time 4wd forgetting to disengage wont it do serious damage to the transfer box?

[Landynut]

mate you stir up a nest again, and only half info is provided! if you had stated you were wasting internet space to get ideas for a mate, we may have been more forthcoming!!!

that aside, i have driven a new defender and V8 70..... to me the defender has astonishing tourqe down low and the 6 speed is mated perfectly....

HOWEVER

all that power from a small dispalcement engine? bit like the D40s and Shaggas, they are all starting to fall apart at 150kms....

THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR CUBIC DISPLACEMENT

except for rotaries, caus ethey are fucken cool! just like Skid and Curly: farken cool people that most people like due to their contributions to all things 4x4ing.....

you need to get out on some trips so people can meet you and then decide if your a true dick, or a nice guy that has issues behind the keyboard....

I would have thought landrover are pretty confident in their engines to offer an unlimited km's warranty . . . . I mean you could pretty much start it up and drive it day after day non-stop, 12 hours a day, and over 3 years that works out to 1,310,400km averaging 100km/hr... how many manufacturers cover an engine under warranty for a million km's ?

two fairly reputable mechanics I talked to said they just dont see any new defenders, but the new cruiser V8's tend to have issues with the turbos and gearbox problems....

as for getting out on trips more yeah I'd love to but I have to work for a living...

I thought this would be an interesting topic for people to discuss, doesn't have to be a heated debate, just throwing information around... it started out good but yeah....

[wsr4x4]

Is this dude for real?? Who really has the time to dribble on this much about what some other turkey is buying! go do some work on ya landy im sure somthing needs fixing onit.
As for you poll: landcruser rules- landrover marginal at best, come on everyone knows this!
Id still take the toyota if it was twice the price ,and it will last three times as long.