GQ PTO questions?

[Mud Hog]

Hi this is probably a stupid question but is there any thing I need to know before installing a pto. All seams very straight forward but thought I would ask anyway. Is there anything to adjust or setup. Cant find anything in the workshop manuel. Whats the bolt and the hex screw for? by the lever on the pto unit. And do I just top up gearbox oil to fill pto unit or is that what the bolts for? Sorry for the novice questions.

Cheers Simon

[Mud Hog]

Bolt and hex screw in question?

[coxsy]

ok ta think they are fittings internal shafts

[monstr]

Hi Simon neither of those need touching 1 holds internals and the other preload on selector give you the positve (click) when selecting forward/reverse etc once you have fitted drive to gearbox just refill oil using normal filler hole and fill to same level,With the winch its self the end plate that the filler hole is in remove that and rotate around so that the filler hole is at a higher level that allows you to run more oil (help keep it cooler)fill it when off the truck as its easier.on mine i have removed the breather and filler plug and replaced with pipe fitting that go to a 2ltr oil tank but unless you intend doing multi long winches nont be nesassary.Cheers

[Mud Hog]

Cheers Coxsy.

And thanks monstr. Can I just use gasket maker for the unit or do I need the gasket. I read some where that it needs to be shimmed? Not sure if its true. I like your oil tank idea because I will be doing multi long winching will get around to doing that in the future. And will move filler plug thanks for the info appreciate it.
Cheers Simon

[coxsy]

well garage or gearbox shop used it on mine

[monstr]

Hi Simon Just use a good quality gasket maker ,i swap my drive before every comp and just use the red silicone gasket maker ,never had a problem

[FORGE1]

Hey mate,

All I can say (when I did mine anyways) is it took a day basically to install mine.

Best thing I did was undo the bolts that connect the gbox to the crossmember (leaving the cross member and gbox mounts behind) and use a bottle jack and jack the gearbox to the drivers side this made life so much more easier you shouldnt even have to move the exhaust as it flexes on the mounts. then I used the red gasket goo.

Its just time consuming. Mine was on a 1993 SWB (facelift interior) so I had to cut a section out of the interior leaver suround.

Good luck you sould be all good.

[gary_in_nz]

hey nearly got my pto installed after a few mods, just wondering how much rope, was going to go synthetic 11 or 12mm, can fit on the drum?

cheers

[coxsy]

about 30 to 40 metres but ali drums can break with to much rope on one side

[Twodiffs]

Mudhog...unless you got the original bolts that came with the pto box then you'll have to trim a few mm of your bolts, the flange thicknesses between blank pto plate and pto box flange are different. Also pay to redrill the shear pin hole closest to the pto box and insert a HT cap screw and lock nut to same diameter, you'll have to trim the bolt close to the nut so that it doesn't catch on the underbody etc when your winch shaft spins.

Keep the shear pin the same on the winch end, that way if you blow a shear pin it'll be that one and the easiest one to get to.

[Mud Hog]

Mudhog...unless you got the original bolts that came with the pto box then you'll have to trim a few mm of your bolts, the flange thicknesses between blank pto plate and pto box flange are different. Also pay to redrill the shear pin hole closest to the pto box and insert a HT cap screw and lock nut to same diameter, you'll have to trim the bolt close to the nut so that it doesn't catch on the underbody etc when your winch shaft spins.

Keep the shear pin the same on the winch end, that way if you blow a shear pin it'll be that one and the easiest one to get to.

Yes thanks did all that a few years ago. Onto another project.

[Twodiffs]

Aah ok...cool. Your opening gives the impression your fitting one for the first time.

[Mud Hog]

Aah ok...cool. Your opening gives the impression your fitting one for the first time.

Yes it was a few years ago, very old thread

[Twodiffs]

haaaa lol. caught out by the old ancient thread trick. I blame gary - he revived it.

[gary_in_nz]

ahh sweet cheers coxsy, yeah sorry about the revive but dont really need to start a new thread and this was about the first that came up in a search, will go for 30 metres i think, cheaper that way too

[Dumbass]

Since this topic has made a come back. Please if you are fitting a pto drive to your gear box and know nothing about gears and gear meshing, please use a gasket. If you only run gasket goo and over tighten the unit. The gears are likely to mesh too tight, and you will probably find your teeth in the bottom of your box. Not cool.
Cheers

[Twodiffs]

Very very good point...didn't think of that when I fitted mine, just used gasket goo. Occasionally under real heavy winching everything tightens up so I stop winching and then it takes some effort to pull the pto lever into neutral.

Could that be the cause - gears meshing too tight?

[Hamz]

Whole process very easy, i used the existing gasket from the plate on my gearbox and had to use washers and random cylinder shaped bits to space the bolts as i didn't have the original bolts, just takes time

[Dumbass]

Very very good point...didn't think of that when I fitted mine, just used gasket goo. Occasionally under real heavy winching everything tightens up so I stop winching and then it takes some effort to pull the pto lever into neutral.

Could that be the cause - gears meshing too tight?

I doubt it. being that the pto unit is is constant mesh with the gearbox it probably would have lunched by now

That is a different issue,and is the pto gearset not the pto to gearbox mesh. a very common nissan thing, all the ones I have used have been difficult to get out of gear with load on. That is load, not mesh. remember you are try to move loaded gears with a mere leaver

[Mud Hog]

Very very good point...didn't think of that when I fitted mine, just used gasket goo. Occasionally under real heavy winching everything tightens up so I stop winching and then it takes some effort to pull the pto lever into neutral.

Could that be the cause - gears meshing too tight?

I used to have that on big angles, stuff twisting and morse cable not quite in line. Always worked just a bit stiffer on angles.

[coxsy]

mine had the load up the gearbox underload with winch and drive, the problem faded away, for some reason easy now, the morse cable can slit up and be hard to move,
I got motorcylcle cable boots load them with grease on both ends of the morse that fixed it

[Twodiffs]

Next time I have to change the gearbox oil I might pull the pto box off and check the gears and put a gasket in anyway. The cable moves fairly easily but good idea as well coxsy.

[snatch22]

Mudhog...unless you got the original bolts that came with the pto box then you'll have to trim a few mm of your bolts, the flange thicknesses between blank pto plate and pto box flange are different. Also pay to redrill the shear pin hole closest to the pto box and insert a HT cap screw and lock nut to same diameter, you'll have to trim the bolt close to the nut so that it doesn't catch on the underbody etc when your winch shaft spins.

Keep the shear pin the same on the winch end, that way if you blow a shear pin it'll be that one and the easiest one to get to.

Hi if you use the pto blank plate bolts do they cause damage?

[Dumbass]

Just be careful when difficult to get out of gear turns into extremely hard to get out of gear. I have seen what happens when you break the little pin that holds the cabin leaver to the cable, so you can not get it out of gear at all, and have no choice but to drive with it in gear. They do not like turning at 5k revs. Hahahahaha

[wookie280]

hay sorry to tag onto this forum but will a toyota pto work on a nissan safari gbox, im struggling to find any nissan pto drive gear but keep coming across toyota so just thort id ask

[Twodiffs]

Mudhog...unless you got the original bolts that came with the pto box then you'll have to trim a few mm of your bolts, the flange thicknesses between blank pto plate and pto box flange are different. Also pay to redrill the shear pin hole closest to the pto box and insert a HT cap screw and lock nut to same diameter, you'll have to trim the bolt close to the nut so that it doesn't catch on the underbody etc when your winch shaft spins.

Keep the shear pin the same on the winch end, that way if you blow a shear pin it'll be that one and the easiest one to get to.

Hi if you use the pto blank plate bolts do they cause damage?

No mate, they will do nothing at all cos they will be too long, bolts for the pto blank plate and pto box are same dia thread and pitch etc obviously.

e.g. If you were to remove a pto box from the gearbox for sale and you wanted to fit a blank plate then you would need longer bolts.

[Camel]

Usefull info on here, so keep it up guys ..

What's a good way to put the rope / cable back on winch (with load ) ? .
Did mine today, dragging the truck with the hand break on so it had some weight / Load on it, to bunch up the cable back on the winch. But how do some guys have the cable on so neatly and looks like there isn't any gaps at all ?

[coxsy]

I wind the wire on with my son, he tells me turn left or right and insures wire even on the drum

[coxsy]

have problem with the winch now the floor mount controller decieded to play up need to remove woodhill dirt ect before I crawl under to look