Offroad-Express

Due to someone rolling a surf and killing his passanger, last week traffic officers have beeb told to target lifted trucks those with out a cert will be pink stickered off the road,
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Read this in paper,

Cert man was telling me that ANY suspension lift ,body lift and bigger tyres need cert......... makes u think of all the trucks out there with mild lifts......

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4948888 ... -illegally

This news report refers.
The accident happened after they entered the forest illegally and were travelling too fast on the metal forestry roads at night.

Unfortunately it only takes one idiot to throw the spotlight onto 4 wheeling activities and the mods we do to our vehicles.

did cause some talk at club level when we were told as a report from nzfwd assa

You've got to be kidding me, one accident and these clowns have a massive knee jerk reaction?

How about target bad drivers, that is and will always be the biggest cause of accidents and deaths on and off the road.

Given the details of that particular accident, it is quite evident that it is a result of stupidity rather than the nature of 4x4 vehicles.

Bigfoot
Typical of your average highway cop.
It might stop people just spoa or bodylifting to hell their shopping trollies though I guess.

The standard height l200 ute I own is far more dangerous on corners than my lifted patrol on big rubber.

Phew, I'm glad I have a stabilising cert plate on my truck. Wouldn't want to tip over on a bend...

This will cause a bit of a headache...
and couple of links for those who might be interested.

warrants-certifications
http://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/warrants-certifications/modifying.html

This is good also.
http://www.lvvta.org.nz/

By the way..
Did ln106 Hilux's come out with 31/10.5x15 tyres as standard.. if they did I don't need to worry about having 33/12.5x15's on mine..

Handy tyre size calculator..
http://www.1010tires.com/tiresizecalculator.asp

Oh.. this ones handy also..
http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/virm-in-service-certification/virm-in-service-certification.html#general

Good luck

By the way..
Did ln106 Hilux's come out with 31/10.5x15 tyres as standard.. if they did I don't need to worry about having 33/12.5x15's on mine..

Have done a bit of a search, and cant seem to find any consistant tyre size on the specs, Im running 33's on my ln106 also...

body lifts, suspension lifts and tire size changes over 5% have needed certs for ages? so whats new?

Ralfie wrote:http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4948888/Accident-SUV-driven-illegally

Taken form the news report:
"Anderson was not wearing a seatbelt and suffered serious injuries to her back and head"

Surely this just as relevant as it being lifted? why is there no mention of cops clamping down on people driving without seatbelts??
and why is there no mention of cops clamping down on people driving in forests without seatbelts??

Sad to say it but I think this is just the start, there will be more impact than first seems.
The police are going to target "non-certified" vehicles, they will no doubt find a vehicles with certification plates.....but the mods to the vehicle far exceed what is on the cert plate, or make what has been certified for suitable road worthiness questionable.
So then the certifiers come into the equation, and the spotlight will move from cert or no-cert to "what is acceptable for road use", so called experts will become involved (a firm like AA )
Perhaps I am over reacting but I think this may be the thin end of the wedge for modified road 4x4's and if anything like the laws in some states of Australia already inflict on the 4wd community there, then the future here may be bleak

wjw wrote:body lifts, suspension lifts and tire size changes over 5% have needed certs for ages? so whats new?

That because of some idiot the Police will now be making a more concerted effort in stopping 4WD's that are lifted and have big tyres to check that they are correctly certified for the modifications.

the interesting thing is that the LVV hand book still says nothing about body lifts , as long as you doubt modify the factory mounting pionts it's legal.

I think theres a loophole saying anything that adversely affects handling needs to be certed which a B/L could be stuck in though.

pjb wrote:Phew, I'm glad I have a stabilising cert plate on my truck. Wouldn't want to tip over on a bend...

Haha, that was just what I was thinking

By paying the cert man $500 bucks for my tin plate on the firewall, my lifted truck is suddenly safer than it was

glad i dont have a body lift!!...makes it way safer on the road!

does that mean its not a "bigfoot"??!!

UBZ wrote:the interesting thing is that the LVV hand book still says nothing about body lifts , as long as you doubt modify the factory mounting pionts it's legal.

And also, if you keep a copy of this document handy in your glove box:

http://www.lvvta.org.nz/CertThresholdSc ... il04V3.pdf

You can argue the point

It basically says what needs to be certified and what doesn't, clean and in plain english, and its an official LVVTA document also.

Swamped wrote:I think theres a loophole saying anything that adversely affects handling needs to be certed which a B/L could be stuck in though.

Also a memo went out to all WOF guys a few years back saying body lifts needed to be certified

The reason for cert for a bodylift is unmistakeable and is in the document listed by DB.
Section 3-1

Low VV Certification is always required for any vehicle structure modifications unless specified below: if modification does not appear below then refer to lvv certifier

As already stated the list does not include body lifts, they are a structural modification and therfore LVV certifation is always required as the document states.

Don't think i'd bother with an argument or the traffic officer will always find other things wrong with your vehicle

hosehustler wrote:Sad to say it but I think this is just the start, there will be more impact than first seems.
The police are going to target "non-certified" vehicles, they will no doubt find a vehicles with certification plates.....but the mods to the vehicle far exceed what is on the cert plate, or make what has been certified for suitable road worthiness questionable.
So then the certifiers come into the equation, and the spotlight will move from cert or no-cert to "what is acceptable for road use", so called experts will become involved (a firm like AA )
Perhaps I am over reacting but I think this may be the thin end of the wedge for modified road 4x4's and if anything like the laws in some states of Australia already inflict on the 4wd community there, then the future here may be bleak

im going to have to agree here,nothings different in terms of cert,for us that do it legally our vechile already meet these standards and weve paid for it simple as that,the problem will now be that they will want to reduce the amount of things certifiable again and as said "what is acceptable for the road".
as i've been told a couple of times by my certifier (with mods ive thought about) he doesnt care if it works good offroad,hes making it safe for on road

its unfortunate but as usual 1 dick head will kill it for all

Also further to Hosehustlers post, check the part on suspension modifications, listed under the heading "Steering"

Most notably the section on springs and shock absorbers.

yea, I can see this getting really bad for us. So what happens when you put in LWB springs into say a SWB zuk? they are still standard OE springs and would be hard as hell to pick up on too, other than the raised hegiht. However places like motortech4x4 for quite some time have said that if you have a suspension or bodylift you must cert it or no WoF. Covers you and them then. Makes sense.

What we need is a rolling cert, where you can get each mod certed as its done adn keep the car road legal but without paying the $500 fee each time. I heard somewhere that they are looking into this and ho it would work, so that would be ideal.

NZFWDA is working with LVVTA to put in place a system that will allow lifted vehicles to be made road legal with out the full cost of certs. Progress is being made an it is expected that further details will be available at the national conference on 28th May.
Watch this space.

Tony Burgess

Mudde1 wrote:NZFWDA is working with LVVTA to put in place a system that will allow lifted vehicles to be made road legal with out the full cost of certs. Progress is being made an it is expected that further details will be available at the national conference on 28th May.
Watch this space.

Tony Burgess

Thats good to hear.

indeed it is good to hear.

Interesting...you see I being jafa put a small "Cosmetic" body lift kit on my truck to make it look better... just so happened to allow large wheels to be fitted when offroad...and it ticks all these boxes:

Cosmetic body kits and components [including utility canopies]
LVV Certification is not required provided that: (refer to lvv certifier if beyond threshold below)

-the fitting system does not weaken the vehicle structure;
-the kit or components do not present any forward-facing external projections;
-the performance of any lamps is not affected as a result of the kit or components.

ToYoda wrote:Interesting...you see I being jafa put a small "Cosmetic" body lift kit on my truck to make it look better... just so happened to allow large wheels to be fitted when offroad...and it ticks all these boxes:

Cosmetic body kits and components [including utility canopies]
LVV Certification is not required provided that: (refer to lvv certifier if beyond threshold below)

-the fitting system does not weaken the vehicle structure;
-the kit or components do not present any forward-facing external projections;
-the performance of any lamps is not affected as a result of the kit or components.

Dude, this is for Cosmetic body kits, not body LIFT kits.

ie spoilers etc Sorry
And who decided your body lift ticked all the boxes? you? or a certified LVV agent?

anyone else have there truck stopped yet? got pulled over in my zuk he checked cert and did road side check of non certd mods.

lincooln wrote:ea, I can see this getting really bad for us. So what happens when you put in LWB springs into say a SWB zuk? they are still standard OE springs and would be hard as hell to pick up on

turns out its all legal even and it had lwb springs in it (swb).