Offroad-Express

hi i've got a 91 2.4 td surf thats ass is sagging and want to do a 2" suspension lift on it, can i leave the old shocks in or do i need new (longer) ones.
also i'm prob gona get another set of off-road tyres on steelys - what would be a good size mud tyre? not going to do any serious 4wding just some mud buggying and the beach (for now!)

cheers
bobbo

first up, welcome..

ok, some offroading but nothin hard out aye?.... i'd go 33's on 8 inch rims.. (15's, cheaper and easier to source.)

BUT!

you can guarantee that after a couple of outings you'll be amping for some more decent 35's.. promise ya! as the second set are off raoders, go 35 mate..
a mate of mine has a similar truck as yours and runs 35 x 12.5 x 15 creepy crawlers and uses it as his daily driver..

comes down to money really... that and highway kms... much highway/road use?

as for shocks, better to get the 50mm lift shocks... not too much for a pair when skimpin on travel will hurt artic and thats what ya fight for..

anyways, happy shoppin..

hey Bobbo

if you do a 2" lift you can run 33"tyres im pretty sure.... someone correct me if im wrong here and you can usually pick up a set of mangles steel rims 15x8 for around $60 each new. the rubber is the hardest to decide on as there are so bloody many of them around, and they are all much of a muchness, i think it all comes down to choice, you have to make up your mind what you want first, i have seen a few sets of good year mtr's around on all sorts of vehicles and have heard good things about them and they arent that dear either(about $250each ?)

the shoks are probably not going to be long enough tho(i would try them first tho)and you can expect to pay around $150 - $200 ish a pair ?.....

thats me for the day, all out of information now

id go for 31 or 32 inch tyres 33" are bit of a hassle with only a 50mm lift. whack in some new springs some longer shocks and wind the front end up a bit. might as well cut the bump stops off as well. 31"mud tyres are a good price you will pick up brand new ones for about $150 a tyre, almost double that for 32or 33 inch. also the 2lt might struggle on the road with too big a tyre.

bobbo i can do ya a set of ome shocks to suit a 2inch lift $130.00 for the pair paid 150 each

and where do ya live ?

and get those 160lb coils from warren @4wd bits youle find the ome and other coils are more for load carrying (good if youre into camping)and put it like this the stock coils are the same height as ome 40-50m.m coils but the stiffness of the coils prevents the truck to sag which gives you the lift

been pisn around with this type model for years and years so sing out dude

cheers guys big help!

yeah your right about the money. i'm on a limited budget so the thing will be fed extras bit by bit i think.

prob go for a secondhand set of muddies 31 - 33" on some of those $60 steel rims cruiser is talking about. i'll keep an eye out, how wide can i go on 8" rims?
i still do mostly highway/road use but i've got some new firehawks for that.

hey krawler i'm based in auckland. those coils sound good, i tow a 14 boat around abit (with some extra shit of course) will the 160lbs still be stiff enough?
and i put some new rear factory shocks on when i bought the thing so if i can get away with them it would be a bonus, might have to whip them off and have a measure up.. what length are the ones your selling?
plus i'm after a bit of basic recovery kit too do the hooks 4wdbits sell fit on a surf?

cheers guys

bobbo

There are quite a few options for this model truck.

I have OME rear springs and shocks, they do a light duty rear spring in a 2in lift which gives good articulation and rides a bit softer than the other spring option. I found my stock shocks were limiting rear travel badly so replaced them quite soon after the spring change.

The OME shocks are great and definitely significantly longer travel than the factory shocks. Chuck those factory's on Trademe and get some decent shocks.

Others have used the Maxitrac springs and shocks that you can get from Steve here on the forum, these are pretty good. I had a set in my LN61 and they were good. Steve I think can also supply the Rancho shocks at a great price to ORE members.

A 31 is about the biggest you would want to go on a 2.4TD. A 32 should fit okay with a 2in lift but to run a 33 I think you also need a body lift. Others here might know better though. You will definitely need flares to cover the tyres or have a set of road tyres for WOF time.

I have 2in suspension and 2in body for a total of 4in's of lift. I run the Maxxis Buckshot tyres, a 33x12.5.15 on 8in alloy rims. They are good on the tarseal and pretty good offroad as well. Pretty well priced at 4wdbits as well. The Goodyear MTR's always get good reviews.

If your surf has a front bullbar, you will probably find that this uses the only drilled and tapped wholes in the chassis. Also for the rear there really isn't anywhere easy to mount to unless you have a towbar. So to fit hooks some customisation might be necessary.

A 2in suspension lift on 31's will make it a capable vehicle. A set of auto diff lockers would triple it's ability. Definitely look at a front locker, most people say a locker will stop the IFS from exploding quite as easily as it does stock.

Might be worth thinking about a set of manual hubs for the front if the auto's are playing up. A 31in tyre will fit in the spare wheel mount, a 32 probably does as well but a 33 definitely doesn't.

Matt.

Update your profile so people know where you are.

If you are in Wellington feel free to come check out my truck.

Matt.

MAtt, I think he mentioned he was in Auckland so Warren at 4WD Bits is going to be the best source for bits...

The MaxiTrac springs are great for unloaded or light-loaded vehicles, but the spring rate is similar to factory (unsagged, that is), so if you are towing a boat I'd look at some dual-rate heavier springs. the trade off will be flexibility... the stiffer the spring, the less flex you'll get.

Go with Krawlrs shocks too... if they are in good nick thats not a bad price and they are longer than stock travel if they are the ones I think, so they will help keep the back end moving with the lift.

Also, stick to 31's... 32's as a max, 33's will require a body lift and a new motor

Make sure you cover your basics first... hooks front and rear, recovery strap, fire extinguisher, first aid kit, cheap warehouse beer cooler for the luch break to keep a sandwich and a stubbie of speights in (Oh, and of course a couple of pies in the glovebox )

Steve

what colour is youre surf mattman

The obligatory Toyota gray.

It's an ex South Island vehicle that has been repowered with a 1UZFE.


Cheers
Matt.

yes grant and the boys lowered it for ya with 33s aye and the man who made the mounts for those rear shock should be hung

nice conversion with the the engine matt ya pretty happy with it bud and yes the guy who used to own it holidays in picton at xmas

oh yeah bobbo go the ome if you have a boat i can tow x2 jetsskis with race fuel and gear behind mine with no sag

Hi Krawlr, yep pretty happy with it now. If you are local come around for a ride.

I have had to do quite a bit to it to get it solid and reliable and ready to use. It had obviously been very well used previously and some of the work that had been done on it was very questionable!

New springs, shocks, tyres, lots of new interior trim and bits, new front bash plate, some electrical work, a spare tyre, jack, and an extinguisher and I am ready to go out this weekend for the first time.

It still needs some more electrical work, the starter motor needs to be rebuilt, the fuel pump is getting noisy and the cold start tune needs to be looked at on the Link ECU.

I am hoping the IFS will hang together with the 33's, 4L V8 and the front electric locker. Hope it holds together long enough for me to save enough to do a Prado coil front axle swap and a set of 4.8 diff gears and lockers.

Cheers
Matt.

good stuff and i can help you with some 4.8s when the time comes......

and do you have a controller for the link cos i can sort that too.....and what exactually is the fault stalling out is it or over reving on the choke when cold?

so where ya going for a play?

I haven't checked to see what version of Link I have, I have to pull the unit out from under dash to check it out.

I have a laptop so will hopefully get the PC Link so that I can check out the Link tune easily. The PC looks like it gives more info than the hand controller.

The motor runs rough for about 30 seconds when the motor is stone cold, it feels like it's over fuelling and it bogs down below about 1500rpm.

On Sunday I am heading out with the Wellington Club to Orongorongo on a Shiny trip - taking the first outing fairly softly until I am confident that the truck won't break apart!

Cheers
Matt.