Offroad-Express

I have a number of properties down here that i have been asked to do a bit of pest control (Bunnies, Hares, Magpies and Possums) being dairy farms the main two criteria are,

1, minimal danger to stock from overshots so no .17HMR

2, (and most importantly) Noise

For the Magpies and Possums my .22 air rifle is more than adequate for dealing with these pests however the limited kill range at 35-40 meters for a 800fps .22 air rifle makes it harder to take out the Hares in particular, the little buggers usually scarpo long before I can get anywhere near close enough.

Because of noise issues i'm leaning towards a suppressed .22 with subs that will extend my effective range out to about 70-80 meters hopefully making it a little easier to bag a few Hare for the pot as they are surprisingly good eating .

since Ive recently spent waaaay too much money on a competition air rifle for my boy budget is a little tight so I was looking at maybe a new Jw15 package deal with scope and suppressor. (I have around $350 to spend)

Ive learnt that the Jw15 is a Chinese "ripoff" of the Czech .22 LR Brno ZKM-451 and that is supposed to be accurate. doing the usual googling and bla bla bla tells me a little, but I was wondering if any of you guys who opinion i value more than google have a jw15 that you shoot and what are your thoughts on the gun, accurate out to ???, any known issues with feeding from the mag? missfires? etc etc, oh and how loud is it if suppressed and using subs, some noise is ok but the farm owner doesn't want the sound of constant gunfire echoing around the valley like a war zone.

cheers guys

JW15s are good, my mate has one that I've used on the range and possuming. I found more accurate than my 10/22. Plus its a bolt, much prefer this to semi autos. Suprising what you get for bugger all money compared to a Savage or Marlin for example.

They're pretty quiet, again more quiet than the 10/22 due to not having that bloody noisy bolt banging around. Definitely shouldn't bother the neighbours.

Yep my understanding is they're based on the Brnos too.

Don't shoot rimfire any more, got bored of trapsing round in the dark for possums and no bunnies where i live (used to live in central otago, was awesome there). If I was to get another 22LR I would go for one of these though.

Subs out to 80m on hares might be pushing it although if you're serious about air rifle shooting you can probably shoot better than I can, my hands shake quite badly so I can't shoot too well.

cbfb wrote: if you're serious about air rifle shooting you can probably shoot better than I can, my hands shake quite badly so I can't shoot too well.

good info

and Im an average shot (low-mid 90's) @ 25 yrds

I had a JW15 with silencer , being Chinese their metal finishing leaves room for improvement, I spent quite some time shell we say tuning with oil stone,fine files and emerypaper, de-burring
And generally making things work as they should, I was able to get a very fine trigger release and freed up the barrel to wood connection this turned it from a very good rifle into a very accurate and reliable hunting rifle. I sold it to a mate for his son and he had many a year of good hunting with it. I replaced it with a 10/22, did the same tuning with it but had the fire power but never the accurace of the Chinaman.

ALL IT TAKES IS A LITTLE TIME

FITZY.

SMOKEY wrote:
ALL IT TAKES IS A LITTLE TIME

FITZY.

Cheers for that Fitzy, I have debured, tuned and Modded all of our air rifles so am used to the roughness of Chinese rifle finishes and that god damn Chinese gritty mystery oil they use, though their stocks come up nicely once you remove the Chinese mystery stain and oil them

so I take it you made the barrel "fully floating ?" by removing any wood to barrel contact?

I have one, its probably my fravourite rifle for bunnies, even over my .17hmr.

Its just a simple no nonsense rifle. Not much to go wrong with it.

Keep it oiled and clean ands its always ready to go.

Ammo is cheap to.

Dollar for Dollar, they are a good rifle. There's better quality gear out there for sure, but for what you pay, the Norinco is awesome

thanks DB, good to get "real" opinions rather than reading all those crap reviews on web sites.

looks like a Jw15 will suit my needs then *off to lurk on Trademe*. with my bowl of bunny stew for lunch

meece4x4 wrote:

cbfb wrote:and Im an average shot (low-mid 90's) @ 25 yrds

What does that mean is it some sort of score ? Never got into that sort of thing just shot bunnies and possums, only shoot a 7mm08 now sold my other guns, keep it for deer to expensive to use on the range! Bloody custom built rifle that should shoot through the same hole @100m but I'm lucky if I can shoot an inch group

You can't go wrong with the Norinco though like I say I'd buy one.

cbfb wrote:What does that mean is it some sort of score ?

lol sorry, I shoot air rifles @ 25 meters, 10 shots at a time at 10 separate bulls on the same sheet, maximum score is 101 or 10 points for each bull or 10.1 for your pellet completely inside the bull and not touching the edges (if that makes sense to you )

so low-mid 90's are usually a clean bull, (10.1s) most 9's and the rest bulls (10's) over the 10 shot spread

this is with a tuned 650fps air rifle and match wadcutters

meece4x4 wrote:

cbfb wrote:What does that mean is it some sort of score ?

lol sorry, I shoot air rifles @ 25 meters, 10 shots at a time at 10 separate bulls on the same sheet, maximum score is 101 or 10 points for each bull or 10.1 for your pellet completely inside the bull and not touching the edges (if that makes sense to you )

so low-mid 90's are usually a clean bull, (10.1s) most 9's and the rest bulls (10's) over the 10 shot spread

this is with a tuned 650fps air rifle and match wadcutters

Jesus! I could probably hit a bull of the horns and mooing variety from that distance... just

Pretty accurate those airguns eh, used to have one before I got my FAL. Only a cheapo GAMO one but it wasn't bad.

i here 1080 slows them down

Like everyones said the norinco is a good price for what it is. I've sold a heap of them BUT have had a few come back with feeding or ejecting problems. Out of the 40 maybe 6-7 have come back that I know of.
They are rough and agricultural but generally aren't too bad to shoot. With a sub 80m is easily attainable, esp if your shooting mid 90's at 25yds. My 10/22 can hit magpies and drop goats at 150yds with subs. It just takes a bit of gun time to get used to it and maybe a bit of rifle modding if necessary. At distance supersonic 22's weren't as accurate as subs too.

The norincos need a bit of shooting to free up the action and see what the crowns are like as they seemed to vary a bit.

From the ones I've seen and shot for customers I'd be more inclined to try track down a stirling .22 as they are cheap but are a nicer rifle and still very accurate for not a lot more money.

Swamped wrote:. At distance supersonic 22's weren't as accurate as subs too.
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thanks for the info Swamped, interesting to hear about the feed issues, is it mag related? ie crappy mag or is it just rough finishing causing the odd issue?

for me accuracy is more far important than speed, coming from an air rifle past I'm used to compensating for ballistics drop anyway, I can reliably hit a rabbit head sized target with my .22 air rifle out to 60-65 meters (on calm day though) because I know how many mildot holdover i need for that distance, I just won't take a shot a a hare with my .22 at those ranges because i'm right on/just under the fpe limit with 16gr hunting pellet to humanely kill a hare with one shot. where as with a .22lr at 80 meters I should still be getting around 56fpe with 40gr at that distance (working on 800fps at that range with subs), more than enough to kill one.

mines about 4-5 years old the and is still going strong the only problem i had was the suppresser didnt suppress it very well so i bought a better one and it is now quieter than my 800fps air rifle

Swamped wrote:From the ones I've seen and shot for customers I'd be more inclined to try track down a stirling .22 as they are cheap but are a nicer rifle and still very accurate for not a lot more money.

I had a Stirling Model 14P, was fine for a couple of days then something went badly wrong, when I fired it blew smoke and gas etc back into my face, damn near blinded me. Tried it a few times same result (obviously holding at arms length). Took it back to the shop guy couldn't figure it out gave me a full refund last I heard of it.

Far out. Never heard of that issue. I saw one that didn't have a square thread on it and the rounds clipped the suppressor but I've seen that on the norinco too. Sounds like the stirling may have had a chamber issue letting the gas out of it or it was case splitting. The three I shot with eley match could hit the screws holding the target up at 50 yards easy.

Norinco feeding issue was due to the average seating of the magazine and the rounds hung up on the side of the chamber from memory. There have been changes to them with wood and finish and the newer ones do look nicer than the earlier ones. I'm unsure if there have been any changes internally.

Swamped wrote:Far out. Never heard of that issue. I saw one that didn't have a square thread on it and the rounds clipped the suppressor

ouch!!

i have the brno that they coppied and a mate of mine has a the norinco one. they do shoot good and are a good price but the action is sloppy and loose when you compare them to the brno. cheers

i brought a jw15a couple months ago find it very easy to shoot havnt had any issues with it feeding etc i 1st hunt with it brought back 23 hares for the dogs

oljamesyboy wrote:i brought a jw15a couple months ago find it very easy to shoot havnt had any issues with it feeding etc i 1st hunt with it brought back 23 hares for the dogs

FOR THE DOGS!, FOR THE DOGS!!!! WHAT ARE YOU WASTING MAN!!!!!!
Roast Hare are yummy to eat.


Just soak it in brine for 24 hours in the fridge (or milk with a pinch of baking soda for a few hours if your in a hurry),

then I use this recipe.
1 hare or wild rabbit
2 tsp peppercorns
1/2 cup of fresh chopped rosmary
1 tsp ground ginger
1 bay leaf
¼ litre/ sweet white wine
Olive oil
Sea salt

Preparation:

Finely chop the leaves.

Mix the pepper, rosemary, ginger and bay leaf with the wine, season with salt.

Put the hare or rabbit in a pyrex casserole dish and pour over the liquid. Cover and leave to marinate min 6 hours, overnight better

Remove the hare or rabbit from the juice and dry with a paper towel.

Heat 3 tablespoons of olive oil in a frying pan and brown the meat all over to seal in the flavour.

Return to the casserole dish, spoon the sauce over the hare or rabbit and roast in a pre-heated oven at 180°c for 1½ hours (longer for bigger Hares)

one trick I learnt was you can make a chicken type breadcrumb stuffing and stuff the rib cavity with it truss the hares front legs to the back ones to keep the stuffing in and roast as above

Best bloody eating ever, No gaminess taste or toughness, My Last Hare netted over 2 kg of roast meat!, that did sat night roast and Sunday meat sandwiches and cold beer for lunch

for rabbits just I do a crockpot stew.

For Possums I take the rear legs of Young Females only, (Dave the cat gets the rest of the Possum) soak them in brine for 24 hours (this helps reduce the gaminess of any wild meat and removes a lot of the blood out of the meat too) like the Hare and then slow roast them with a BBQ marinade Yummy they are also very nice curried to.

meece4x4 wrote:

oljamesyboy wrote:i brought a jw15a couple months ago find it very easy to shoot havnt had any issues with it feeding etc i 1st hunt with it brought back 23 hares for the dogs

FOR THE DOGS!, FOR THE DOGS!!!! WHAT ARE YOU WASTING MAN!!!!!!
Roast Hare are yummy to eat.


Just soak it in brine for 24 hours in the fridge (or milk with a pinch of baking soda for a few hours if your in a hurry),

then I use this recipe.
1 hare or wild rabbit
2 tsp peppercorns
1/2 cup of fresh chopped rosmary
1 tsp ground ginger
1 bay leaf
¼ litre/ sweet white wine
Olive oil
Sea salt

Preparation:

Finely chop the leaves.

Mix the pepper, rosemary, ginger and bay leaf with the wine, season with salt.

Put the hare or rabbit in a pyrex casserole dish and pour over the liquid. Cover and leave to marinate min 6 hours, overnight better

Remove the hare or rabbit from the juice and dry with a paper towel.

Heat 3 tablespoons of olive oil in a frying pan and brown the meat all over to seal in the flavour.

Return to the casserole dish, spoon the sauce over the hare or rabbit and roast in a pre-heated oven at 180°c for 1½ hours (longer for bigger Hares)

one trick I learnt was you can make a chicken type breadcrumb stuffing and stuff the rib cavity with it truss the hares front legs to the back ones to keep the stuffing in and roast as above

Best bloody eating ever, No gaminess taste or toughness, My Last Hare netted over 2 kg of roast meat!, that did sat night roast and Sunday meat sandwiches and cold beer for lunch

for rabbits just I do a crockpot stew.

For Possums I take the rear legs of Young Females only, (Dave the cat gets the rest of the Possum) soak them in brine for 24 hours (this helps reduce the gaminess of any wild meat and removes a lot of the blood out of the meat too) like the Hare and then slow roast them with a BBQ marinade Yummy they are also very nice curried to.

haha looks like the girlfriend gona finally get that cooked meal shes been bugging me for lol