suzuki sj413 modification time

mushroom11 · Post by **mushroom11** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:47 pm

i have recently purchased a suzuki sj413 1987.now i want to make it higher????i have heard of a kit called a leaf over axle conversion kit.now have asked around pit stop,repco etc but nun of them have ever heard of them????any information on where i can purchase one will be good.also any other information on modifications i mite need 4 me to sucess fully instal this kit will be much appreciated.also will my vechle still be road worthy????thank you

mroffroader · Post by **mroffroader** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:54 pm

Hi there welcome to Offroad express. No you won't find that repco or similar will stock a SPOA (spring over axle kit) as it is a custom made type thing, you will need to find a 4wd specialist to do it as it is not your average run of the mill modifictation. I would suggest for the moment you do either a 2" body lift (a 2" block between the body and the chassie or a set of longer spring hangers(these are the cheapest modifictation you could do to your vehicle, and then put a set of 30" mud tyres on it and your away

. This would be the cheapest way to do it. depending on how much $$$$ you have

.... if you had a bit to spear you could do a spring over and a body lift and put in low ratio gears and wack some 32-33" mud tyres on it and some diff locks. However a body lift or a shackle lift (longer spring hangers) will need certifictation as you have changed the vehicle from being stock. Please let us know what your options would be and maybe we can help out

James

mushroom11 · Post by **mushroom11** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:31 pm

k mate thats bloody usefull info.now whats easyer to do for 2inch body lift springs or blocks?how much will this set me back?and by me doing this mod will i be able to fit 30inch tyres on or a bit of fidlling around.thanks for usefull info!

doddzee · Post by **doddzee** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:37 pm

How about doing what this guy has done

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... hp?t=70878

(you may have to register to outerlimits4x4 to see this page)

lilpigzuk · Post by **lilpigzuk** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:52 pm

Welcome to ORE!!
I would go with a 2" spring lift first and you should get away with 30" tyres - possibly a bit of flattening of body seams at the rear of the front guard and you will have to lose your bumper - no good to you offroad anyway :wink:

As Doddzee has mentioned, try outerlimits for info. You will have too register to access some of the info. Each vehicle section has a topic called "The Bible". Pretty much every mod known to that vehicle is listed there with good discussion on pros and cons. Definetly worth your while registering and spending a night (or two) going through it as you will pick up plenty of good ideas.

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... hp?t=48714

That is the Suzuki one.
Any suspension mod will need certification (quite a few get away with small suspension lifts though)
Enjoy the vehicle, its one of the most capable and easily modded vehicles out there. If you want some more local zuk knowledge visit here as well

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/nzook/

Off Road Express is an awesome for all sorts of info though (not trying to turn new members to other sites Mike, Honest :lol:

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mushroom11 · Post by **mushroom11** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:02 pm

k mate now how much will a set of springs set me back???will there much rubbing of tyres on truck??and will it take me long to install springs.thanks

lilpigzuk · Post by **lilpigzuk** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:30 pm

Not sure on the latest price. From what I have read, try the OME (Old Man Emu) Dakar range. They havent been on the market long so theres not too much feedback on how they go over time with regards to sagging etc. But they are fairly cheap.
Try your local ARB agent for pricing.
Again have a read on the outerlimits site. There is sooooooo much info on lifts and tyres etc there. Way more than my own knowledge - which isnt hard :lol:

I run 31 x 9.5 handcut tyres on my 410 with an unknown brand of lifted springs in it. I get a bit of rubbing when on full lock under under compression. Not enough to worry me. The rears slightly touch top of wheel arch. My front guards have had major surgery to remove rust and give a little more clearence for tyres. Try searching for "virtual lift" as well. It is common across all vehicles (in short cutting of guards - few ways of doing it).
A spring swap will take a good few hours depending on access to tools/jacks/rusted U bolts etc etc. You may also want to move your front axle forward 20mm to help with firewall clearence - redrill spring perch.

Bound to be stuff I have missed but do have a look at the zuk bible on outerlimits at the above link.......

redzuki · Post by **redzuki** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:15 pm

i run 2 inch longer shackels(1 inch lift) with 30 inch mud tires and the tires only rubb a little at full up travel. The extended shackel was a great mod, if you have some steel lieing around it won't cost you anything it also improved the ride as the springs don't keep hitting the bumpstops . Also if you remove the front sway bar you articulation will be increased and it dosen't affect road handling much.

mushroom11 · Post by **mushroom11** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:28 pm

k mate sounds all good i got a set of 30s mud tyres and rims i pict up on trade me 95% tread left for 500. just in proess of organiseing freight its a stepping stone but will look in at getting 2 inch spring kit next??any ideas on what i will be paying??? :lol:

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:28 pm

mushroom11 wrote:any ideas on what i will be paying???

I think most spring makers will have a 50mm kit, the MaxiTrac ones are around $550 for all 4 springs, 50mm lifted. I can double check that for you if you like... Try and avoid Ironman (just my personal experience speaking) but brands like EFS, OME, MaxiTrac, etc should be ok.

Also check with the Zuk boys if the shocks are long enough to handle the lift - I know with Hiluxes especially the 50mm lifted springs make the front shocks go to full stretch and stay there... not a good look offroad.

Longer shackles are easy too... not sure on the sizes with the Zuk, but Hilux ones are easy to make with just some 40x8 flat bar - relatively cheap to buy from an engineering shop - and if you don't like cutting most shops will cut it to length for you as well (and drill it too if you have no tools at all

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Good luck with the mods - make sure you post before, during and after pics for us to check the truck out.

Steve

redzuki · Post by **redzuki** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:53 am

The guys on outerlimits seem to like the EFS kits and the old man emu kits and i don't think the stock shocks will be long enough . I got a EFS lift kit priced up through genie 4x4 and it was about 1500 ,but that included every thing (springs ,shocks, bushes and u-bolts)

mroffroader · Post by **mroffroader** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:06 am

mushroom11 wrote:any ideas on what i will be paying???

Maybe $20-30 for some steel $10 for some spray paint a couple of hours with the angle grinder and marker pen bolt 'em in and you away

By the way im talking about longer spring hangers or shackle lift.

Where abouts in the country are you mushroom?

mroffroader · Post by **mroffroader** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:33 am

SupraLux wrote:
mushroom11 wrote:any ideas on what i will be paying???

Longer shackles are easy too... not sure on the sizes with the Zuk, but Hilux ones are easy to make with just some 40x8 flat bar - relativelycheap to buy from an engineering shop - and if you don't like cutting most shops will cut it to length for you as well (and drill it too if you have no tools at all )Steve

Sorry forgot about that you will have to drill some holes not hard as long as you have a drill and a grinder :twisted:

mushroom11 · Post by **mushroom11** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:35 am

im in gisborne mate so limited to what options i have???

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:43 am

Welcome to the forum mate. A spring over axle on a 413 is a bit of a scary thing - too high & too narrow. The later Samurai's are 100mm wider in the axles & they're not so bad with a SPOA.

Adding a leaf to all the spring packs & getting them reset (see a springmaker) gives good bang for the buck, they'll likely settle down to an inch or so of lift but I only paid $160 at Archers in Rotorua to have all 4 done a few yrs back.

Extended shackles are good at the back but will make the steering wandery in the front. To clear 30" rubber the best value setup IMHO is to add a leaf & reset the the rear springs with 50mm extended shackles & splash out on some 2" lifted springs for the front with std shackles.

Longer shocks are a must, the cheap way is to work out the extended & compressed lengths you need then find something that matches at Repco, I got some Monroes like that & they worked well, better than the $$$ OME's.

Cheers
Clint

DaveM · Post by **DaveM** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:19 pm

Good to see you found your way to the site

Much better off asking questions here than you are on Trade Me

mushroom11 · Post by **mushroom11** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:24 pm

k now with longer shackles will it effect my sterring when installed in front

mushroom11 · Post by **mushroom11** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:27 pm

cheers there dave m.great move mate

redzuki · Post by **redzuki** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:53 pm

you can make extended shackels longer than 2inchs of lift but the suzuki will be very hard to drive or the road as you will get bumpsteer also they seem to get in the way at the front so you somtimes get hooked up on them
cheers
jamie

mushroom11 · Post by **mushroom11** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:59 pm

so red zuki you recomended not to have shackles in front mate?

mroffroader · Post by **mroffroader** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:10 pm

redzuki wrote:you can make extended shackels longer than 2inchs of lift but the suzuki will be very hard to drive or the road as you will get bumpsteer also they seem to get in the way at the front so you somtimes get hooked up on them
cheers
jamie

No he recommends that you don't have shackles longer than 2 inches because the longer they are the more chance you have of hooking them op on obstacles etc.

lilpigzuk · Post by **lilpigzuk** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:28 pm

mroffroader wrote:
redzuki wrote:you can make extended shackels longer than 2inchs of lift but the suzuki will be very hard to drive or the road as you will get bumpsteer also they seem to get in the way at the front so you somtimes get hooked up on them
cheers
jamie

No he recommends that you don't have shackles longer than 2 inches because the longer they are the more chance you have of hooking them op on obstacles etc.

.........and by putting in 2" longer shackles you are only gaining an inch in height as the other end is fixed. Dont mean to state the obvious but some people dont realise this. Keep the questions coming

mushroom11 · Post by **mushroom11** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:41 pm

k mate at the end of the day i want to put 30s on the truck and have no rubbng or any other bad sitchuations but at the same time have amore comftable ride as it is used as a daily driver.this is a link to the tyres im getting :lol:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 737414.htm