Buying first 4x4

[Sadam_Husain]

trucks are like chicks mate, theres all different sorts, fat ones, skinny ones, low maintenence ones, high maintenence ones, ones that put out and ones that dont etc etc, get an idea of what sort of truck appeals to you (ie a surf) and what sort of 4WDing you'd like to do and then get some advice on those vehicles otherwise everybody will tell you why their specific vehicle suits them and try and talk you into buying one

[Jerry]

2.4 and 3 ltr diesels do heads, do a search on here, could look for a pajero as well ... whereabouts in nz are ya (go to your pm's and edit your profile)

see if you can grab a seat for a trip or 2 and see the different trucks in action

[Jerry]

no i mean pajero

2.8's are ok, not as peppy as the others, you may even get a safari for 4k

[Jerry]

ask one of us nicely to check something out and fly up and drive it back...

Something to be aware of is theres a crapload of nissans and toyotas being nicked in chch at the moment ... maybe get something they aren't stealing

[u13turbo]

Yeah mate if your going to get a surf, go for a 2.8, much stronger engines than the 2.4 and 3.0's. theres a really good looking 2.8 turbo one, 33's, lifted etc for 5k on tm.
Also terrano's, very strong motors, 2.7td so they have the power aswel. gearboxes and steering is weak but mine has taken a shitload of abuse!
Bighorns, go for the 2.8td ones, all round good truck as far as i know.

[will i am]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =451451477

buy mine
txt if interested. will be gone on friday if i dont get a higher offer
good truck

[badnuz]

i wouldnt suggest a Saffy at the rate they being flogged atm

[mercutio]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=452378606

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =451633392

Or these??

What sort of km should i be looking at? or does it not matter?

the 2.5 diesels have issues with the heads but the 2.8 are a good motor

if you keep you eyes open you can score rear diff lockers for these as well

[gimmemud]

Surfs never came out with a 2.8 so that motor is not original, possibly cert/wof issues? If a 2.4 or 3.0 litre diesel has lasted this long I would expect it to be looked after or fixed already so definitely wouldn't rule them out, and there is always ways to make them more reliable.

[u13turbo]

Surfs never came out with a 2.8 so that motor is not original, possibly cert/wof issues? If a 2.4 or 3.0 litre diesel has lasted this long I would expect it to be looked after or fixed already so definitely wouldn't rule them out, and there is always ways to make them more reliable.

How sure are you about that? i know for a fact 4runners came out 2.8, and im pretty sure surfs did?

[nismo26]

Some Surfs did.

[mr landrover]

i had a factory 2 . 8 surf still gutless

[crazyclark31]

reckon you'd be better off to go for the pajero. They have one of the strongest driveline out. So if you lift it (and you'll want to) the cvs and stuff will handle a hell of of alot more abuse than the surfs of terranos. the 2.8s would be the best way to go.
They also have plenty of grunt and handle pretty well.
the second one you've posted would be the better of the two but would allow to get rid of the stupid auto hubs and get some manual ones fitted

[gimmemud]

Surfs never came out with a 2.8 so that motor is not original, possibly cert/wof issues? If a 2.4 or 3.0 litre diesel has lasted this long I would expect it to be looked after or fixed already so definitely wouldn't rule them out, and there is always ways to make them more reliable.

How sure are you about that? i know for a fact 4runners came out 2.8, and im pretty sure surfs did?

Yip 4runners did but not surfs. And 4runners also didn't have all the electrics and aircon in all models

[pjb]

Yep, I've driven the 2.8 turbo pajero - enough grunt to hang the arse end out on wet corners...

[mud_slinger]

have you looked at a bighorn or mu? 2.8 engines are bullet proof and driveline is really strong plus they go really well

[KIWI_TERRANO]

Surfs never came out with a 2.8 so that motor is not original, possibly cert/wof issues? If a 2.4 or 3.0 litre diesel has lasted this long I would expect it to be looked after or fixed already so definitely wouldn't rule them out, and there is always ways to make them more reliable.

How sure are you about that? i know for a fact 4runners came out 2.8, and im pretty sure surfs did?

Yip 4runners did but not surfs. And 4runners also didn't have all the electrics and aircon in all models

my mates got a 2.8 surf factory!?! and I have seen a few getting round.

Surf 3ltr 1kz are a good truck just got to keep radaitor clean and change oils and get after market temp gauge and I never had issue with front diff but I did solid axle it after awhile to make it go harder, so i would say go surf as inthe long run you can turn it into a extreme truck if you solid axle swap.

other option I would go is swb pajero 2.8 turbo intercooled, mate has one and he does push it to the limits alot and seems to handle it although it has done one front diff and some cvs with 35 silverstones on it running 18psi boost

[keithal]

nothing wrong with this http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-ca ... 633392.htm
he said to me he would take 5k cash?

[Tarmac]

Dont discount the bighorns, lots about. Mate has the 7 seater, he picked it up with a lock"somethin" in the front end, snorkel, arb bar, lifted with 265 75 16s muds with 2 matchin spares on rims n lifted round 2inches for around what you prepared 2 spend. Goes well on the road and even better off. Coil back end so as much clearance under rear as front diff, independant corners are very civil on road.

[u13turbo]

Basically if i were you, i would get any of the trucks talked about except 2.4 and 3.0 surfs(unless your keen on replacing the head)
Also alot of people say keep away from mitsi diesels, i havnt seen many problems myself, apart from the newer 4M40's, They are VERY bad.

[007]

Good idea to start with a surf or hilux. Then when ready you can upgrade to a patrol or cruser.

Then after a few year's and want to get seriouse you can work your way into a Suzuki,

Lol

[Cameron]

Basically if i were you, i would get any of the trucks talked about except 2.4 and 3.0 surfs(unless your keen on replacing the head)
Also alot of people say keep away from mitsi diesels, i havnt seen many problems myself, apart from the newer 4M40's, They are VERY bad.

most people say the earlier 2.5s are worse. I've had a couple of 2.5 powered diesels, both with high km when I sold them, and not a single problem. servicing/looking after them is key. I used to aska lot of them but I wouldn't give them shit when cold, and serviced them regularly and never an issue.
same goes with the surfs. heaps of people have all sorts of engines in surfs for years and never have issues. it's all about keeping an eye on things.


are you dead set on a diesel? I've got a 3 litre swb pajero and it goes fine. bit heavier on fuel than a diesel but it's plenty torquey. I always use like zero gas when I'm off road compared to a couple of mates in terranos, as until I'm in a sticky bit I just cruise round quarter throttle at like 2000rpm.
It's a bit gutless on the road, though, but goes fine, really. It's not a race car.

[Cameron]

oh, I'm not selling it, sorry. I should've said that. was just speaking of my experiences with mine.
I'm in wellington though.
TBH I'd probably sell it if someone offered me reasonable money for it. I think I blew up my only other legal car this evening though

[u13turbo]

Basically if i were you, i would get any of the trucks talked about except 2.4 and 3.0 surfs(unless your keen on replacing the head)
Also alot of people say keep away from mitsi diesels, i havnt seen many problems myself, apart from the newer 4M40's, They are VERY bad.

most people say the earlier 2.5s are worse. I've had a couple of 2.5 powered diesels, both with high km when I sold them, and not a single problem. servicing/looking after them is key. I used to aska lot of them but I wouldn't give them shit when cold, and serviced them regularly and never an issue.
same goes with the surfs. heaps of people have all sorts of engines in surfs for years and never have issues. it's all about keeping an eye on things.


are you dead set on a diesel? I've got a 3 litre swb pajero and it goes fine. bit heavier on fuel than a diesel but it's plenty torquey. I always use like zero gas when I'm off road compared to a couple of mates in terranos, as until I'm in a sticky bit I just cruise round quarter throttle at like 2000rpm.
It's a bit gutless on the road, though, but goes fine, really. It's not a race car.

Yeah. my mate had a 2.5 pajero, no issue and it had 360,000km's on the clock.
at a garage i worked at we had 3 4M40's come in with cracked head gaskets. all around the 80-120km mark, the heads cannot be machined, so instead of being just a gasket replacement, its the whole head.

[FORGE1]

Just a thought why not a V6 Bighorn Irmisher SWB. Mines done 281kms and goes well and it get a bit of a beating and the motor never complains. In saying that I have been through a few gearboxes but thats just self inflicted and 2nd hand ones not being maintained previously. They are also pretty cheap I reckon.

[Cameron]

in summary, there's nothing wrong with any vehicle type as long as it's been looked after
drive a few, do some googling, and go in well informed

[Tarmac]

Listing #: 454279957 TM

This wld be worth a look solid axle, petrol reg, solid axle, ding up the body and no worries

Not as pertty as a paj or bighorn but get you further for less, and cheap to mod.

Took the old mans ifs version a few places it shouldnt go....

But really if you can stretch the budget this sounds like a whole lotta 4wd for the money (5g askin)

Listing #: 451832643 TM

Has been on here for a while and started around 10g sounds like a must go thing. Seems like it has all/most of the good bits in it, am confused why it has sat on TM, I dont know? all I can guess is the 3.8 drinks like Andy Capp. Cert for it all and theres more than a g+ in tyres alone, 2trans cases, lockers, rears up front etc.... in summary Fk yeah!!!!

[pjb]

Just a thought why not a V6 Bighorn Irmisher SWB. Mines done 281kms and goes well and it get a bit of a beating and the motor never complains. In saying that I have been through a few gearboxes but thats just self inflicted and 2nd hand ones not being maintained previously. They are also pretty cheap I reckon.

This what you referring to FORGE?

[keithal]

But really if you can stretch the budget this sounds like a whole lotta 4wd for the money (5g askin)

Listing #: 451832643 TM

Has been on here for a while and started around 10g sounds like a must go thing. Seems like it has all/most of the good bits in it, am confused why it has sat on TM, I dont know? all I can guess is the 3.8 drinks like Andy Capp. Cert for it all and theres more than a g+ in tyres alone, 2trans cases, lockers, rears up front etc.... in summary Fk yeah!!!!

only problem with starting out in a 4x4 like this is your experience doesnt grow as the vehicle evolves. your just asking for trouble

[007]

Go for the trademe 451832643 TM it's a no brainer at that price.