sad safari.....

[V8boss]

Hi all, I put a post up a few days ago re the towing capacity of my gy60 TD42 safari, have now resolved that with a new towbar as my old one was only rated for 2.5 tonnes. Now fitted a heavy duty bar and thats all sorted. So hooked the boat on and tried it out today. Unfortunately the results werent good. Around town its not bad, but i tried to get up to speed onto the motorway up an incline, and even with it floored, I couldnt get over 50ks, and then it took ages to get up to 80-90k, and only once the motorwa flattened out. If I chopped the auto down to 2nd, it picks up better, but not by a huge amount. So, I have a couple of questions re these trucks, hopefully someone can help.
1. Should I be able to tow a boat (admitedly it is 3.3tonnes) fairly comfortably with this truck, or is that size boat just too much for it?
2. Is there anything I can do to up the power to make it tow better? (have just replaced all filters etc)
3. Does adjusting the valve clearances make a big difference on these engines? I think they are a bit loose.
4. I have heard that you can get headers for the TD42, are these worth it?

I'm tempted to go the turbo route, but I would like to know I had got the engine running its best before I started stuffing boost into it.

[FORGE1]

Hey Mate, I would say thats pretty normal for a Auto Safari. Not the fastest but will get you there in the end.

I found the trick with a Safari is less throttle = More pick up. When you floor them they just dump to much fuel in and bogg down (just a tad).

My old Auto Patrol was rubbish with speed when towing espically on hills compared to my manual one but I got home in the end so didnt bother me to much.
It also depends on how the trans has been serviced previously.

Turbo would help heaps.

Ray

[SV1K]

http://www.axtturbo.com.au/td42_42l_engine.html

[buddrick]

Turbo! mine now is and can't believe how will it goes would eat my 2011 ford ranger.
Would put new injectors in, and set the vavel clearance tomorrow did mine when brought it and was so much torkeyer, in the manual say they should be set every 20,000km and the injectors done or inspected every 100,000!!
Nobody realy does these things as they never bearkdown

[crazyclark31]

do the valves. Headers do work just not as much as on a petrol.
With the auto make sure you get a massive external cooler fitted for the trans as these autos in particular don't like heat. Also not using overdrive makes a difference.
If you do turbo it don't get a cheap kit as they are crap!!!!!
Best thing to do if your towing with it is convert to a manual and h/d clutch and then turbo the shit outa it.

[motardbiker]

Is the old girl hard to start? Go through a bit of oil etc? Ever thought of a compression test to check the donk aint a bit puffy/worn?

Otherwise if you want to start with the basics, reset the valve tappets, biff the pre air filter, install a decent main air filter, new fuel filter and if you want to have the injectors serviced, check the link below, guys name is Rod, did an awesome job, price was pretty reasonable too

http://www.trademe.co.nz/services/trade ... 362240.htm

Honestly the best option for towing with these old donks is down the turbo road, theres tons of info on the net, alot on the aussie patrol4x4, this is what I have done, even using a cheap turbo, I regularly tow my 20ft fyran up the coromandel coast and a mates wakeboard boat which weighs 2.5ton, easily get up to 90/100 km/hr, bog down to 50 - 60 on steep hills but thats to be expected

[Sadam_Husain]

1. Should I be able to tow a boat (admitedly it is 3.3tonnes) fairly comfortably with this truck, or is that size boat just too much for it?

shit mate that all sounds pretty normal for that much weight hanging off the back if you want to keep up with the rest of the traffic maybe upgrade to an 8 litre dodge ram

[XJCrawler]

how noticeable is the difference of towing ability between the auto and manual safaris? i wouldve thought the engines were torquey enough you wouldn't really notice on flat terrain anyway depending what you're towing.

[Drunkenmonkey]

Hey guys

My lwb high roof y60 is similar even with my empty double axle trailer (about 600kg) I got no hope of holding any speed on any sort if incline even with out it I struggle to hold 100 on a few hills, apparently it was fitted with a y61 motor before I got it.
I went to Taupo with the race car prob be 2.2 ton load all up and on flats I had to hold 3rd to hold 80-90 km hr this cant be right can it?

I'm trying to sell it but if I don't get what I want I'll keep it and try get it running better, going to look into getting the injectors done by Ron and doing the valves, any other advice would be super

Cheers matt

[crazyclark31]

Hey guys

My lwb high roof y60 is similar even with my empty double axle trailer (about 600kg) I got no hope of holding any speed on any sort if incline even with out it I struggle to hold 100 on a few hills, apparently it was fitted with a y61 motor before I got it.
I went to Taupo with the race car prob be 2.2 ton load all up and on flats I had to hold 3rd to hold 80-90 km hr this cant be right can it?

I'm trying to sell it but if I don't get what I want I'll keep it and try get it running better, going to look into getting the injectors done by Ron and doing the valves, any other advice would be super
Cheers matt

What size tyres you running? Manual/auto? Take it to a good diesel mech and get it checked over. What revs it sit at at 100km/hr in top gear.

[Drunkenmonkey]

It's a auto running 31x10.5r15 as for revs no idea as tachometer doesn't work
Anyone know a trust worthy mechanic in Auckland?

[taz01]

Look you bunch of twits bloody safaris are 20+ yrs old the engines were designed for a bus ...they are not designed for speed what they are great at is torque
I have an std auto 91 model tows my swb saffy on tandem trailer fine at about 70/80k on the flat pointless having ya foot flat too all that does is biff unburnt diesel out the exhaust downhill i can get up to 120/130k knowing theres an uphill the otherside of course
up the mangawekas im down to 1st gear but im never in a hurry and dont care, am converting to manual just so i can pick a gear to sit in not be up/down with the auto
If you want a safari to tow at speed forget it ...dont even waste ya time turboing it still wont do it ...LEAVE EARLY CAUSE ITS SLOW......

[mudlva]

...LEAVE EARLY CAUSE ITS SLOW......

here here well said

[Drunkenmonkey]

If I could hold 80k on a flat road i would be happy but that's what I'm saying I have to keep it foot flat otherwise it will slow right down, I know these are not speed demons but dam I would have thought it could hold 80k on a flat road with a car on a trailer!

Now you say you can hold 70-80k on the flats with your trailer on yet I can't so to me that's saying something's not quiet right, then you go calling new member that know sweet #### all about these things twats, good one I can see your the mr club friendly rep!

[taz01]

If I could hold 80k on a flat road i would be happy but that's what I'm saying I have to keep it foot flat otherwise it will slow right down, I know these are not speed demons but dam I would have thought it could hold 80k on a flat road with a car on a trailer!
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whether its 1ton or 5 or even a slight head wind you will be lucky if it will hold 80k for any distance in a std safari i use the overdrive button nonstop to keep speed up

then you go calling new member that know sweet #### all about these things twats, good one I can see your the mr club friendly rep!

seeing as your a newbie and you compare a 2800kg diesel safari to a 1100kg petrol (probably turbo) shitbaru it seems you don't have a great deal of knowledge about the aspects of torque v horsepower to weight ratio
I will let it go however this thread was started by someone else and TWITS is what i said not twat and not getting at you but stating most other comments in this thread is from others who offer money spending advise which at the end of the day will not work TWITS....its a 3.3t boat..
I drive my auto whale every day i tow my other safari all around the north island its still a slug as is yours....Im not mr club friendly im mr tell you how it is ...........seems the reason you joined ore TODAY is to sell your overpriced truck good luck with that...

[mudlva]

fellas 24v vx80 vc is what you need

its all to do with the name badge. its got to start with "T"

[zukmeista]

[stinky]

Pass the popcorn

[lax2wlg]

its all to do with the name badge. its got to start with "T"

By that logic, he could also look into a Tatra, may not be ideal on the highway though.

[Sadam_Husain]

fellas 24v vx80 vc is what you need

its all to do with the name badge. its got to start with "T"

yep even the 12 valve 80's tow good, without going down the toyo vs nissan road we've towed my cruiser around with a couple of different Safs and the 80 series pissed all over them significantly

[Drunkenmonkey]

If I could hold 80k on a flat road i would be happy but that's what I'm saying I have to keep it foot flat otherwise it will slow right down, I know these are not speed demons but dam I would have thought it could hold 80k on a flat road with a car on a trailer!
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whether its 1ton or 5 or even a slight head wind you will be lucky if it will hold 80k for any distance in a std safari i use the overdrive button nonstop to keep speed up

then you go calling new member that know sweet #### all about these things twats, good one I can see your the mr club friendly rep!

seeing as your a newbie and you compare a 2800kg diesel safari to a 1100kg petrol (probably turbo) shitbaru it seems you don't have a great deal of knowledge about the aspects of torque v horsepower to weight ratio
I will let it go however this thread was started by someone else and TWITS is what i said not twat and not getting at you but stating most other comments in this thread is from others who offer money spending advise which at the end of the day will not work TWITS....its a 3.3t boat..
I drive my auto whale every day i tow my other safari all around the north island its still a slug as is yours....Im not mr club friendly im mr tell you how it is ...........seems the reason you joined ore TODAY is to sell your overpriced truck good luck with that...

Wrong actually i you look i posted here before posting my tm link in the intro for pictures, I was googling ways to improve the td42 motor and I came across the injectors and valve Clarence's, my apologies twits not twats, it felt like it was pointed a me as this thread had been dead for a couple of weeks, you failed to mention you use the over drive which I dunno if yours is any different but in O/D at 80 it revving pretty high which I thought someone said was pointless as its just dumping un burnt diesel out the exhaust? Correct me if I'm wrong as I am here to learn about my truck while I'm in owner ship of it.

Once again my appoligies for taking your post the wrong way it is the Internet after all

[taz01]

dude i drive mine like a manual and will sit at 3000+ rpm for an hour nonstop if i have too no other truck that ive owned would ever do this (and I may have had 1 or 2) the end result is live with the most reliable slug you"ll ever own or go buy something else like a petrol patrol they will tow anything at all downside it had better be a fuel tanker your towing again LEAVE EARLY ITS SLOW GOING.......

[crazyclark31]

have to wade on in here.
I think that you do need to have your truck looked at as mine on 33s,std ratios bla bla bla will quite happily sit at 90-100ks on the flat while towing the work digger(1.8 tonnes plus trailer). Yes it is working but its not complaining about it. This is out of over drive and i also drive it like a manual. And its not smoking like a train.
Point myself and a few other have said is Spend some money getting it serviced and see what happens, then if you still want more out of it then turbo it. My turbo'ed shorty with the digger on would piss all over dads 80 towing the same load. And it just had a real basic setup.

But these are an old truck so don't expect modern performance from it.
you wont get a more reliable tow wagon than a properly turbo'd(or not) td42 thats well serviced.

[Drunkenmonkey]

I know they are slow I didn't buy it cause it was fast,

Cheers crazyclark31 ill have a look around and find a decent mechanic, what's do you get fuel consption wise? I get around 700kms to a tank (95l) so abound 13.5l per 100 does this sound right?

[crazyclark31]

that sounds pretty good. I average around 15-17ltrs per hundred in mine.
On thing i have found is the factory exhaust is quite restrictive.like most trucks.
As mines worn out i've replaced it with 2 1/2in. Seems to let it hold better with load on.
A bigger pipe to the air cleaner helps to.
There are alot of little things that can be done to help with load towing that don't cost anything/much.
I've even insulated my air box to help stop the engine bay heating it up.
Don't make massive changes but do help.

As a side note was giving dad a hand to move some baleage last night.Of the line to about 40ks the my n/a safari will beat dads 80 every time. then of course the turbo takes over. Both with 1 bale each on. Empty he's got me.

[Sadam_Husain]

I know they are slow I didn't buy it cause it was fast,

Cheers crazyclark31 ill have a look around and find a decent mechanic, what's do you get fuel consption wise? I get around 700kms to a tank (95l) so abound 13.5l per 100 does this sound right?

just bare in mind mate you can throw a couple of grand at the thing and easily a shitload more getting it serviced and bits replaced and it'll still always be a slow slug that struggles to hold 80kph towing a car trailer up and down the highway, if you want to go faster, be able to sit with the traffic flow and haul up hills money would be better spent buying something thats capable of doing that, its a slow old safari and thats all it'll ever be

[Dirtydog]

I know they are slow I didn't buy it cause it was fast,

Cheers crazyclark31 ill have a look around and find a decent mechanic, what's do you get fuel consption wise? I get around 700kms to a tank (95l) so abound 13.5l per 100 does this sound right?

just bare in mind mate you can throw a couple of grand at the thing and easily a shitload more getting it serviced and bits replaced and it'll still always be a slow slug that struggles to hold 80kph towing a car trailer up and down the highway, if you want to go faster, be able to sit with the traffic flow and haul up hills money would be better spent buying something thats capable of doing that, its a slow old safari and thats all it'll ever be

why not get a camry for towing? make sure its a v6 one, we towed a Ford falcon on a massive salvage trailer from southland to blenhiem not too long ago, most the way we were holding 100k fine.

wasnt till the hills that we slowed down.

the other option is maybe try finding some higher ratio diffs, or bigger tyres.

will slow it down to start with, but it will mean the top end speed will increase as you would be doing less revs to get it to 100k. (i didnt even know these beasts got to 100k.....)

[zukmeista]

its a slow old safari and thats all it'll ever be

Typical toyota owner, "my trucks the best and everything else is shit"
I have been for a ride in a shorty Saf with a custom turbo setup, and I can assure you it was a long way from being slow, once the turbo kicked in it was probably quicker than my old mans 4L straight six petrol Cherokee.

[Sadam_Husain]

its a slow old safari and thats all it'll ever be

Typical toyota owner, "my trucks the best and everything else is shit"
I have been for a ride in a shorty Saf with a custom turbo setup, and I can assure you it was a long way from being slow, once the turbo kicked in it was probably quicker than my old mans 4L straight six petrol Cherokee.

fcuk off ya little wankstain tosser go and crawl back into your little hole you came out of or go read the previous posts and dont go taking shit out of context or go posting "my turbos Safs better than my daddys straight 6 cherokee" crap this is a thread about towing shit not your little defalated ego what the fcuks up with your attitude every thread you ever go into you turns into a pile of shit for the mods to clean out and delete you've got more posts sitting off in deleted moderation than you have in the public forums

[Ralfie]

its a slow old safari and thats all it'll ever be

Typical toyota owner, "my trucks the best and everything else is shit"
I have been for a ride in a shorty Saf with a custom turbo setup, and I can assure you it was a long way from being slow, once the turbo kicked in it was probably quicker than my old mans 4L straight six petrol Cherokee.

great another pissing contest again .................
I can piss further and faster than you.