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when typing headline i held down shift button - D4D turns into D$D - will keep this thread updated til the bitter end regardless of what happens to ute.

anywho, rencently got another low ks [110] new shape shagger wagon, planning on doing some mods an future proofing engine etc, but things have sped up A LOT

lent the ute to client electrician to take home as he had no transport that day.
report says that at 100kmh on the way to pick me up next morning travelling up small hill engine stalled.

engine was hard to re start. checked oil water ok, tried to start again, with foot flat to floor would start but with loud rattle and loss of power

upon swinging by my place to pick me up, i heard it in car in car park, had a wee chuckle at that fu*** sounding rattly diesel, then went out an saw it was mine

re check of engine oil an water come up fine, cant smell diesel in the oil either. with engien running [rattling] can feel different pulse on injector line to the other ones

it is sunday - no mechanics available, have ahd look for engines -around 6-10k on ebay recon

not sure what to do, electrical company have offered to by ute as there staff driving, but poor guys is getting a beating from boss and will end up leaving [fired] if i push for replacement


i have contacted mechanics and they have said to get it towed to there workshops.
waht is first check to do on these problem prone injector destroyign engiens-
compression check? can a on board diagnosis plug pick up faults, should i be sending straight to a diesel mechanic?

bit up set with toyota right now, reliability does not fit in anywhere with the last 3 I have bought

for 10k it might be a new engine / [pump / injectors 3" - then i will have bought a nice landcruiser instead of a crapped out hilux...

thoughts ideas suggestions all welcome

thinking of long blocking the d4d but goign mechanical 1kz pump an head if possible, for same price get better engine [maybe lower performance]

Check out this.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/Mess ... 64&topic=1

Then this.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/Mess ... 49&topic=1

Does sound like the common injector problem, but I'd take it to a mechanic that is familiar with these motors (Toyota Dealer?)

The guy driving (unless thrashing it) isn't really at fault, so unless his company has a policy of not using vehicles etc other than their own, I doubt they could do much to him.

Interested to hear the outcome of what caused the problem

this sounds interesting. will watch with interest

my boss jut sold a low km 05 sheep shagger guy drove it aprox 2km and did the same thing big rattle no power towed to garage they said wouldnt even bother trying to diagnose prob just pull it down buy a new short or long block reconed from toyota 8 to 12g be the bill i wouldnt touch one with a barge pole they reconed you wouldnt no when it was gunna go bang

I've got one, injectors poo'd themselves not long after I bought it at 160,000, it's now done 210,000 and I'm thinking I should upgrade sooner rather then later, it wouldn't be worth fixing it if it blew in a year or so's time.

Any early hilux before aug 08 is going to have injector problems if they havent been replaced. guaranteed. And if your injectors havent been out and new injector washers fitted. then the combustion etc will blow past the washer seal. destroy the oil and then the motor.

But theyre incredibly good trucks! The motors are very good.

Is it the injectors AND washers that need replacing, or just washers? Looking at a '05 version, but more than a little put off by the horror stories!

Cheers,
Dave

Sounds like injectors or diesel pump. They're are other smaller things can also be faulty. It could be the suction control valve in the diesel pump or even just fuel filter.
You need to take it to someone who knows these engines and has a scan tool that can read the data and reprogramme injector info if they are replaced.

The injector washers have been superseded to a better style. Don't know if anyone is doing these as a service item. They are always replaced when injectors replaced.

Don't be scared of these engines. Lots of people on here have 1kz which have always do there heads and repair cost is similar to injectors and diesel pump on a 1kd. Plus you get way better performance and fuel economy

mumbls wrote:when typing headline i held down shift button - D4D turns into D$D

I love it!

Gunna hav to quote you on that

I'm personally not impressed with their reliability, but in saying that I'm not driving one and enjoying the power and good fuel economy. Thinking that their resale values must be dropping as more people get scared of them...

slide wrote:

mumbls wrote:when typing headline i held down shift button - D4D turns into D$D

I love it!

Gunna hav to quote you on that

I'm personally not impressed with their reliability, but in saying that I'm not driving one and enjoying the power and good fuel economy. Thinking that their resale values must be dropping as more people get scared of them...

nah resale never drops with toyotas, check out might 80 series prices. toyota lv's have reputation of bullet proof awesome vehicles engineered to meet there long lasting reputation of hassle free motoring, they dont get cheaper, unless you buy a dog

had compression check done today, im low on compression [f*** low] on number 3 - is pressurising sump an oil through intercooler. at 110,000 i wouldnt of expected that - maybe after 20 years etc

have decided not to waste time energy and money chasign toyota and bought recon engine will fit it myself, i heard it goes righty tighty, lefty loosey - will pull down old engine once im back up an runnign and have a search for cause of failure.

but will never forget D$D//////

^ dodgey injector causing a shit spray pattern overheating a piston and cracking/holing it is my bet on that one
is that a common thing on these perchance? was it knocky when cold for a bit before it shat it's pants?

Cameron wrote:^ dodgey injector causing a shit spray pattern overheating a piston and cracking/holing it is my bet on that one
is that a common thing on these perchance? was it knocky when cold for a bit before it shat it's pants?

a quick google of d4d or just toyota injectors brings up a lot of info

it was no more rattley to more unrefined ears than the other 50 i have driven [ rent hilux / prados a lot for work] my neighbour has a d4d hiace taxi and when i hear him start that in the morning he sometimes needs to get another battery in it then when it does start it has the death knock for few minutes - has been in an out of toyota since new to get sorted.

scarey shit. I know the last model rodeos get a good knock on them when the injectors start to play up, usually when cold.
me old man's one is ridiculous, although it's been like it for nearly 100k and hasn't shat the bed yet (lease company wont fix it hah)

05s arent too bad at all, as long as theyre serviced properly. theyre the better ones.
Early washers, the copper ones, for the early ones. Not so much injectors, although they really only have a 150k service life if that.
And the injectors/washers from 06-07/08, when they started changing the pilot injection timing etc also, is when alot of problems arose.

The silver injector washers are superseded parts. but are replaced every 45,000/90,000/135,000/180,000 etc etc service. They are a service item, part of toyotas service schedule.

we run hiluxes at work and have 12 of them ranging from my old girl 2.8 s/cab flat deck beam axle 96 up to the last of the shaggers before the facelift model.all 4x4 d/cabs exept one 2wd d/cab,the older ones had stuff done by toyota under warranty as mentioned above,apart from a couple of alternators they have been trouble free,most have 200ltr diesel tanks on the back and tow 1000ltr fuel trailers all over the place,a couple when cold sound like the pistons are smacking into the bonnet . we service them ourselves exactly as the book says right down to diffs g/box etc and have done from new,one of our 1kz utes got cooked ,got a brand new complete toyota head for 1500 and good as new again.no other 4wd d/cab ute will do 180kmh like the shaggers.last 3 utes we got are colorados and they are shit but you get what you pay for i suppose,our 2wd ute got blinged out as we had a car in the toyota racing series and put foose wheels and all the other shiny bits on it,also got the ecu "chipped"and it is quite impressive how it goes,dont be afraid of them but get one that has been well serviced.

Yea servicing is the key, i work for a forestry company and we have 6 of them, i have the oldest one (08) which has 290,000 on the clock. It goes mint, better than the 2012 ones the guys reckon. It has had nothing done to it other than regular servicing. The big thing is to regulary change the oil, apparently diesel crystallises in the oil and causes all sorts of propblems, also needs regular fuel filter changes. Will good maintenance the will last for ages. Problem is when something does go wrong your looking at big bills

well thanks

heaps of great advice, not sure on some of the bush mechanics physics / chemists reasoning behind why mine blew up but who cares!- my engine was regular serviced by diesel mechanic, still blew up

after a lot of searching it seems very common that toyota put in a whole bunch of crap injectors, i cant be assed spending the time trying to get toyota to pay a dollar so instead have paid them to fit a new/recon engine

one day i might pull the old one apart an rebuild it myself, but probably not! just happy to be back behind the wheel doing 180kmh [private road] on a dirty old shagger wagon

i worked at Toyota when this model was first released, had heaps of issues with these utes and heard the reason behind it was that normally toyota field tests all of there products for 18 month, however Nissan brought their Navara out and Toyota didnt want to wait and let Nissan get the upper hand so released the Hilux 6 months earlier, had they waited there would have been a good chance the problems we are seeing to day might have been resolved.
Tips to looking after your new Hilux include
- excellent fuel
- add a water trap to the fuel line
- add injector cleaner
- replace injector washers at each service
- run quality oil
- use genuine filters

heaps of good advice, some bush advice, all taken witha grain or few

anywho

picked up the wagon last week, brand new engien an all, rattles like f*** cost a bomb, not happy, but what can ya do!

the deal was drive in - toyota remove engine, put on tray - toyota fit new engine,

i have a 'new' engine in it, and a million parts on the back, worst of all there is no sumpor pick up and mostly no old injectors

bit weird really, i did mention i would be getting the old engine inspected by a engine rebuilder to determine cuase of failure and the two most common failure points are now missing........ only one word, BUGGER

mumbls wrote:heaps of good advice, some bush advice, all taken witha grain or few

anywho

picked up the wagon last week, brand new engien an all, rattles like f*** cost a bomb, not happy, but what can ya do!

the deal was drive in - toyota remove engine, put on tray - toyota fit new engine,

i have a 'new' engine in it, and a million parts on the back, worst of all there is no sumpor pick up and mostly no old injectors

bit weird really, i did mention i would be getting the old engine inspected by a engine rebuilder to determine cuase of failure and the two most common failure points are now missing........ only one word, BUGGER

go back to them and ask for injectors ,if you got a rebuilt/new engine as in complete then they have no reason to hang onto them, they could be in the new motor though........

mumbls wrote:when typing headline i held down shift button - D4D turns into D$D - will keep this thread updated til the bitter end regardless of what happens to ute.

anywho, rencently got another low ks [110] new shape shagger wagon, planning on doing some mods an future proofing engine etc, but things have sped up A LOT

lent the ute to client electrician to take home as he had no transport that day.
report says that at 100kmh on the way to pick me up next morning travelling up small hill engine stalled.

engine was hard to re start. checked oil water ok, tried to start again, with foot flat to floor would start but with loud rattle and loss of power

upon swinging by my place to pick me up, i heard it in car in car park, had a wee chuckle at that fu*** sounding rattly diesel, then went out an saw it was mine

re check of engine oil an water come up fine, cant smell diesel in the oil either. with engien running [rattling] can feel different pulse on injector line to the other ones

it is sunday - no mechanics available, have ahd look for engines -around 6-10k on ebay recon

not sure what to do, electrical company have offered to by ute as there staff driving, but poor guys is getting a beating from boss and will end up leaving [fired] if i push for replacement


i have contacted mechanics and they have said to get it towed to there workshops.
waht is first check to do on these problem prone injector destroyign engiens-
compression check? can a on board diagnosis plug pick up faults, should i be sending straight to a diesel mechanic?

bit up set with toyota right now, reliability does not fit in anywhere with the last 3 I have bought

for 10k it might be a new engine / [pump / injectors 3" - then i will have bought a nice landcruiser instead of a crapped out hilux...

thoughts ideas suggestions all welcome

thinking of long blocking the d4d but goign mechanical 1kz pump an head if possible, for same price get better engine [maybe lower performance]

if you have to change the head and injection pump you might as well stick a 1uzfe in it. It'll be about the same cost and that might include the cert if ya thrifty.

They tried to charge me 2800 dollars for a 2.4 engine for my hilux, i told them to stick it up there jaxy and installed a Rb25det and auto box plus cert cost me 2000 dollars push in drive out,

ok guys im on the look out now for a hilux or hiace van of the 05 to 08 range running the d4d motors..
yes .. no .. or otherwise.
im hoping or guessing that any issue should of been resolved by now??

Had one in at work, 110kms, #1 injector seal failed, diesel in fuel, carbon blocked pickup, cracked #1 piston and siezed.

If you have one of these make sure injector seals are regularly replaced!

Second hand 1kd for 2k from a hiace, cheaper than a 1kz

mudlva wrote:ok guys im on the look out now for a hilux or hiace van of the 05 to 08 range running the d4d motors..
yes .. no .. or otherwise.
im hoping or guessing that any issue should of been resolved by now??

hilux or van is pretty broad decision?
not sure what your after? hiace vans are a little overpriced and a euro van generally offer better eveything for less!
we have a slwb hiace van an a hilux. completely different wagons.

both are safer from mechanical death by having injector washers replaced with the superseeded toyota item that doesnt cause premature engine failure, and have had injectors replaced at 150,000 but toyota dont really go back in time and sort or fix issues, like big end bearings in 80s etc..... they fixed them upgrading the 80!

buy with knowledge you have and you'll be fine.

Both vehicles are running the d4d engine so was sort of assuming they would of had similar issues. If i do go down the of diesel route then im guessing that the first job is to sort the injectors out.

just the washers, you can get a scan/printout done on the condition of the injectors, but without pulling them out - 5-6 hour job you wont know if they are the later model washers and once they are out should probably throw them

ironically the hiace had a recall for injector lines - not to do with the washers but when they do the recall they change them out, free of charge.

the hiace / prado / hilux / surf all have a 1kd d4d engine but theres a few differences in egr / manifolds / sump / sensors etc etc as our mechanics found out when putting in a later model prado recon into the hilux

What are they like on power and fuel economy?

mumbls wrote:just the washers, you can get a scan/printout done on the condition of the injectors, but without pulling them out - 5-6 hour job you wont know if they are the later model washers and once they are out should probably throw them

ironically the hiace had a recall for injector lines - not to do with the washers but when they do the recall they change them out, free of charge.

the hiace / prado / hilux / surf all have a 1kd d4d engine but theres a few differences in egr / manifolds / sump / sensors etc etc as our mechanics found out when putting in a later model prado recon into the hilux

Aren't the waterpumps fun to do on the Hiaces...

Can you spot the issue? D$D shagger with "pulling under brakes and a funny noise"...