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Has anyone had a look at the Turfours in their latest mailer?
I think they are 1600kg (left the mailer at work so can't confirm)

Quality gear is always worthwhile when it comes to stuff like recovery, I've acumulated 4 genuine Tirfors over the years and considering where they've been and what they've done I wouldnt trade the quality and reliability for anything

And Nope.... I don't want to sell any of them!

they are 1600 kgs wonder if they are any good??

Sadam_Husain wrote:Quality gear is always worthwhile when it comes to stuff like recovery, I've acumulated 4 genuine Tirfors over the years and considering where they've been and what they've done I wouldnt trade the quality and reliability for anything

And Nope.... I don't want to sell any of them!

Not asking you to trade or sell sorry, asking about quality/reliability of the Supercheap ones.
Yes I know a lot of their gear is not the best, but most of what I have purchased from there has lasted me well, as has equipment from Bunnuings, Warehouse and Kmart.

kiwipete wrote:

Sadam_Husain wrote:Quality gear is always worthwhile when it comes to stuff like recovery, I've acumulated 4 genuine Tirfors over the years and considering where they've been and what they've done I wouldnt trade the quality and reliability for anything

And Nope.... I don't want to sell any of them!

Not asking you to trade or sell sorry, asking about quality/reliability of the Supercheap ones.
Yes I know a lot of their gear is not the best, but most of what I have purchased from there has lasted me well, as has equipment from Bunnuings, Warehouse and Kmart.

i agree kiwi pete..........me thinks sadams a bit testy??

ARB sells turfour or hoe ever you spell it , they have the 2600klg version aswell , saw it in their catalogue .

I plan to but the genuine ARB version , its rated at 2500klg and looks incredibly well built . thats on my shopping list sometime soon , after all the other stuff .

Ryan wrote:they are 1600 kgs wonder if they are any good??

no they wont be any good under pressure remember theres a hell of a lot of weight for instince in your terrano stuck well and good in a mud hole that may be 3tons of pull at any point on that turfor and its only rated to 1600kg's thats like buying a snatch strop rated to 1ton and u own a nissan safari i agree with saddam save up and buy good gear and be buried with it ......i have not yet got any good recovery gear (besides snatch strop etc, mainly because i have you ryan ) but i do carry 2 little 2ton hand winches which seem to be quite good i have personally put them under alot of pressure doin various things and they havnt failed yet notice the word *YET* thats ehy i carry 2 for good measure.

I would only buy a tirfor rated over 4.5T for pull... some are rated for pull, some for lift so is worth checking before buying..

Wouldnt use a tirfor for lifting fullstop.

Ill have to check on my rigging ACOP and Best practice guidelines, but im fairly certain that tirfors are for pulling only as they dont have a mechanical brake, and that any "hauling" item that had a "neutral" was not to be used for lifting. Thats rule of thumb in the industry anyway (or at least what i was taught)

"tirfor" is of course a (french) brand name and not just one particular item, so it may well be thay make specific lifting devices. Other american, japanese and chinese products that should be termed "cable pullers" instead of tirfor (bit like calling a suzuki a Jeep really) have 1800 to 2500kg lift ratings, but again, from memory, these should not be used fro lifting in NZ.

xj wrote:Wouldnt use a tirfor for lifting fullstop.

Ill have to check on my rigging ACOP and Best practice guidelines, but im fairly certain that tirfors are for pulling only as they dont have a mechanical brake, and that any "hauling" item that had a "neutral" was not to be used for lifting. Thats rule of thumb in the industry anyway (or at least what i was taught)

"tirfor" is of course a (french) brand name and not just one particular item, so it may well be thay make specific lifting devices. Other american, japanese and chinese products that should be termed "cable pullers" instead of tirfor (bit like calling a suzuki a Jeep really) have 1800 to 2500kg lift ratings, but again, from memory, these should not be used fro lifting in NZ.

Mate of mines a rigger, the original Tirfors are certed for lifting, for example the biggest one is rated 2.5Ton lift, 5Ton pull. He uses them all the time. But 'proper' Tirfors have a mechanical brake ... Other makes may not be, especially if they are labelled for pulling as there are no standards for pulling equipment, also chinese stuff is sometimes labed 2T which over there means 2000lbs.

Cheers,

Bill

Just spoke to a tutor for tai poutini polytech (only training establishment for rigging and scaffolding in NZ) and im afraid he supports my view. And also added that the original "tirfor" brand cable puller was not rated to lift.

Another aquaintence is trying to dig up the OSH correspondence that he was supplied when working underground regarding the use of tirfors (cable pullers) for lifting. In that environment it was extremely frowned upon and a big nono from OSH.

Seems we'll have to disagree (be a boring world if everone agreed wouldnt it)

On a sidenote, we recently had a client that wanted me to set up a mechanical winch (9000lb) to lift steel into place on a verticle pully while their guys bolted the steel into place. OSH wouldnt have it. Why??? It was a "winch" and not a "hoist".

I was recently asked to erect an imported mast climber (from Nokia, Sweden) which although fitted with a mechanical brake, and emergency descent function from the platform, had no avenue to bring the platfrom down from a height from the ground. I refused to touch the machine until they had gotten their engineers to set up a ground descent bypass. I made OSH aware of this immediately and they were aghast that this company could bring something into the country, and have it in use without their knowlegde and having it not complying to local standards. the guys from Nokia said that in 25 countries, they had never been pulled up on this feature........ moral of the story.......

May the user beware!!!!

Yea, I have run-ins with my bosses regularly... I do alot of roof work and refuse to go up if its wet, windy or if I feel its even slightly unsafe... its just not worth it...

I have an original tirfor, got it from the Austraian Army, used for their unimogs, real big heavy bastard it is hey Bill. I have used it back in Oz to pull me up some pretty vertical shit in the old BJ40. Never even looked like crapping out, but then I wouldn't want to have been under it. I have so much faith and trust in that old trifor you wouldn't believe.
Al

Al's is a 5 Ton pull...

where would you buy one like Al's turfor ?, any army depots or something ? never heard of hand winchs with ratings of 4.5-5 ton before , definatelly come in handy

They appear on Trademe every so often, not sure where you'd buy one new... I'd probably buy an original Tirfor in the states and ship it here if I was going to buy one... will last forever.

tirfor are french originally

heres some blackrat versions:

1600kg version
http://wellingtonprovedoring.co.nz/Prod ... ductID=462

2t cable puller
http://wellingtonprovedoring.co.nz/Prod ... ductID=436

blackrats version of a high lift jack:
http://wellingtonprovedoring.co.nz/Prod ... ductID=447

And an article on use of tirfor (with pictures)
http://www.landroverclub.net/Club/HTML/ ... irfor1.htm

an article by fully equipped on their version:
http://www.fullyequipped.co.nz/Media8.htm

I have no experience with these - yet

But I did a bit of 'net research before buying, as I recall there have been some problems with some Blackrat ones in Aussie (not sure if they're the ones they sell now). The Supercheap ones are available under various different names around the world and seem ok, but obviously aren't as nearly trustworthy as a good brand name puller.

In the end I decided to get a a 2nd-hand higher quality unit with a higher lbs rating rather than a new lower quality unit. Might be a mistake as at least with a new unit you have some guarantee. But at the end of the day your money back is worth sod all if you have to leave your truck stranded in the middle of no where.

I have been using a 5 ton Tirfor hand winch to lift 60 meter masts. I have never had anything near a failure. I hear all sorts of horror storys about 12 000 lb super winches failing on the same job. They are awesome.

I have an original Tirfor T516
It is rated to 1600kg dead lift and 2500kg Pull.

Wasn't cheap, but was worth every dollar I payed for it .