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Found this on the internet

"Iwi want control of New Zealand's parks: We have found that many outdoor recreation organisations are unaware of a conference promoting the iwi elite's push for co-governance of New Zealand's parks which starts on Tuesday, If you can help spread the word to people who might be interested, we would really appreciate it. Details can be seen here:

High-level Hui explores models for shared protection

The Co-governance and Co-management of Parks and Environments Hui will take place at the Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa in Wellington on June 17 and 18. It will provide an opportunity for Indigenous groups and representatives, parks agencies, land managers, recreation consultants, business leaders and policy makers to discuss co-governance and co-management of land and marine environments.


The event has been jointly organised by Parks Forum and the New Zealand Recreation Association (NZRA). It will be opened by Conservation Minister Hon Dr Nick Smith, with keynote presentations from paramount chief Sir Tumu te Heuheu Tūkino of Ngāti Tūwharetoa and Sir Mark Solomon of Ngāi Tahu.

Keynote addresses will be complemented by workshops hosted by New Zealand and Australian parks organisations and Indigenous leaders, including Dr Matthew Ward, Regional Manager for Natural Resources Alinytjara Wiluara, a branch of the South Australia Department of Environment, Water and Natural Resources, and former Māori All Blacks coach Matt Te Pou, of Tuhoe.

NZRA Chief Executive Andrew Leslie says recent Treaty of Waitangi land settlements in New Zealand and the granting of access and land-use rights to Indigenous groups in Australia has highlighted the need for Indigenous leaders and people at all levels of parks management to share knowledge and experiences of how best to co-govern and co-manage land."

http://community.scoop.co.nz/2014/06/hi ... rotection/

what? and not maintain it so it can flood like Sandtoft forest and kill tens of thousands of trees that will have to be replanted once the creeks are unblocked.

They can't even control there little ferals running around killing store owners, why give them parks and reserves.

I'm not racist...I just dislike them all equally

Why not work alongside iwi to get access for 4x4?

Crash bandicoot wrote:They can't even control there little ferals running around killing store owners, why give them parks and reserves.

I'm not racist...I just dislike them all equally

What a horrible thing to say, suppose with your thinking pakeha people never do anything wrong becuase you would be able to control all pakeha people right? (assuming you are of pakeha descent).

You must have a pretty strange defintion of rascism.

nzlux wrote:Why not work alongside iwi to get access for 4x4?

Because next minute we are paying some self entitled ethnic group for access to our own resources. Think Lake Taupo, the iwi wanted $60k from the organisers of the big triathlon there, for the participants to swim in the lake. WTF

Put simply, give us money because we are brown. This is racism.

Crash bandicoot wrote:They can't even control there little ferals running around killing store owners, why give them parks and reserves.

Put simply, one bad egg did something wrong, so the whole group are collectively guilty. This is also racism.

yeah well the horse has bolted it now seems to be a generational issue, it's systemic and holding the tax payers to ransom.

And as for a horrible thing to say, truth hurts. This country has fallen into reverse apartheid. A minority of "I wants" and "I Should Have's" with there hands out... Don't know what a permanent job is, can't get a job because there parents don't have the balls to teach them right from wrong discipline ..oh wait..did i say parents....they are no where to be seen.... first headline of the day when that happened? caregivers...gimme a break , linch them. why should society carry the burden of feeding and clothing and housing them for the next 12-24 years.

as above 60 K for permission to run a marathon.
Gate fee's to enter a forest that was barren sand and weeds before it got planted into a sustainable renewable forest that was "Given" back to the "Iwi" to look after going to ruin.

you keep thinking that, you're either blind or naive.

Crash bandicoot wrote:yeah well the horse has bolted it now seems to be a generational issue, it's systemic and holding the tax payers to ransom......

Sometimes the truth hurts, if all the benefits and special treatments that are given to the 'poor oppressed indigenous people' otherwise known as Maori were only given to white people there would be a colossal shitstorm They already own the foreshore and seabeds how much do they want? Will they end up owning the rights to the whole country and kick all the white trash out? But then who would pay the benefits for them and their 10 children

edit: not worth it

I hope a moderator cleans up this thread as its not a good look and a poor reflection on an otherwise good site.

How will it affect affect our access to these places?
Is this a good thing to help manage the parks?

Jerry wrote:How will it affect affect our access to these places?
Is this a good thing to help manage the parks?

My opinion the Iwi should have a stake in managing public parks, just like any other major user group and that includes us 4wd'ers, but this has to over seen by the government and since this is managed for all of us to use, no user group should be able to profit or control finances

If the iwi corporations get involved we need to do something because then it will be controlled for profit not public

Crash I'm not going to bother with most of your dribble but I will make a point of this

Gate fee's to enter a forest that was barren sand and weeds before it got planted into a sustainable renewable forest that was "Given" back to the "Iwi" to look after going to ruin.

The Iwi are a company/trust what ever, to bag them racially because of some bad business decisions... I am winding up my company and part of it due to some bad decisions lol am I in your cross hairs
Or is this because they made a good business decision to charge people to use there land (gate fees) guess you must hate the people who own Rallywoods or Costaplenty
Stop clouding the issue with colour, the issue is those that want to profit off the public parks

Crash bandicoot wrote:And as for a horrible thing to say, truth hurts. This country has fallen into reverse apartheid. A minority of "I wants" and "I Should Have's" with there hands out...

I think this is correct sadly. It seems white New Zealanders are afraid of voicing themselves on this topic for rear of being thought of as racist. I now suffer no such ridiculousness since realizing that our p.c tip toeing has become pathetic. Im proud to be a Kiwi but i wont let anyone call me Pakeha, Thats not a name we have given ourselves, Im white.

you must hate the people who own Rallywoods or Costaplenty

These are privately owned 4wd parks

The Public Reserves are owned by all New Zealanders

fish wrote:I think this is correct sadly. It seems white New Zealanders are afraid of voicing themselves on this topic for rear of being thought of as racist. I now suffer no such ridiculousness since realizing that our p.c tip toeing has become pathetic. Im proud to be a Kiwi but i wont let anyone call me Pakeha, Thats not a name we have given ourselves, Im white.

Pakeha isn't really a name as such its a word from the maori language, its just like calling yourself white in english. Its nothing to be afraid of.

Why not just say that the young people that killed the dairy owner had terrible parents, why base it on a race and associate it with something completely irrelevant like parks. Would you have hated white people if it was 2 white kids that killed the dairy owner?

And did anyone even read the article or jump to conclusions

I see the title of this thread changed from the original alarmist title to something more relevant

thats true and i accept your argument, racism is a small problem compared to classicism. all these violent crimes are committed my various races but the thing the have in common is being poor.
as for the word pakeha, im not scared of it im just not one. why would i use another language to describe my self?

Jerry wrote:

you must hate the people who own Rallywoods or Costaplenty

These are privately owned 4wd parks

The Public Reserves are owned by all New Zealanders

The Pine forest that Crash was talking about isn't public reserve, If it was commercial renewable forest then it is probably one of the Moari lease blocks that have recently been returned to Maori management, these have never been under DoC's umbrella
Doc does have some exotic forest estates left but not much and I don't think they are part of the concern as they are trying to convert them to native....
Just for the book Jerry before I got into 4wd's I got a degree in forest management lol thats why I made note of his comment and pointed out why it has no bearing on your thread title

Oh and on a personal note and only because I feel strongly about this I agree with trucked.... I am a fifth generation New Zealander, I am not European and I am not a Pakeha.... on forms that don't have New Zealander then I am a pacific islander since my country is in the pacific
But this is not what this thread was about lol but if the original topic is bust then how about we discus the fact the department of statistics can add to there list of valid religions "Jedi" yet to this goverment I am from another continent Europe.... I don't have a country unless I leave it.... funny that Australia recognizes me as being a New Zealander yet my own goverment seems to think I'm from the other side of the world lol

never anything constructive in these discussions, its always fun watching the kids play nicely in the sandpit