Whats this Hilux worth

[ToyZuki]

Just curious to know what everybody thinks a Hilux like this is worth considering the V6 conversion etc.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =750932231

[slidenyo]

as parts maybe $3-4k,
as a built truck whatever someones willing to pay really,
I reckon around $4k would be a good buy but you could get a lot more refined rig for that ie a gq patrol in similar condition

[ToyZuki]

4k is about what I was thinking.

Hilux and Patrol are completely different animals to me, patrols are way to heavy.

[Smurf]

it is IFS, I'd rather grab a SWB Safari but that will cost you a bit more than 4K, but it won't have been mucked with so much, potentially

[derk]

what an old modified vehicle is worth is what someone is willing to pay for it there isn't a standard market value

if its a good or worthwhile buy or not depends on what you want to do with it, as a soft roader for a play around and to try and give rice burners a run for their money at the lights it'd be a fun truck but would probably keep you busy and a bit out of pocket needing lots of on-going maintenance and repairs to keep it up to warrantable and roadworthy standard due to its age and unknown standard of modifications, if your looking for something with a bit of off road capability ifs (as eluded to above) doesn't ever come into the reliable/capable equation for anything more serious


I'm sure the ifs boys will be along shortly to correct me about ifs capability and inform me how good they actually are off road compared to an old solid axle truck

[lax2wlg]

if your looking for something with a bit of off road capability Toyota ifs (as eluded to above) doesn't ever come into the reliable/capable equation for anything more serious

You must have been living under a rock for the last 30 years. I Corrected it for you. What you are saying is true for Toyota IFS, otherwise you are overgeneralizing, innaccurately.

Correct, Toyota IFS is light duty and theres only so much you can do.
At the end of the day you are still working with that little weak 7.5" center section with alloy cover plate, and CV joints that are just too weak to be practical. I mean for f**ks sake its not entirely uncommon for the entire front diff to be torn out of its mounts in heavy use on those things.

I agree that the Buick engine will tear the front end apart in the first 5 minutes (if he ever does override that troublesome ADD system and actually get it into 4wd). That little rear end isnt designed for those levels of spike torque input either.

[derk]

[lax2wlg]

Don't just laugh it off... create a decent argument... Lets face it you were fishing for a response.

Tell us why IFS is so bad. Were you referring to Toyota IFS or IFS in general? Have you ever serviced or operated a HMMVW? Didnt think so.

[Jay]

Here we go again....S#$%t fight... Good-o.

Toyzuki - at the end of the day, anything is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Go see it, look it over etc and decide what you would be willing to pay.

[ToyZuki]

Im fully aware things are only worth as much as someone is willing to pay but some are willing to pay a lot more than others. I just mean what would you experienced guys pay and what would you consider a bargain.

I mean you dont want to be that guy that tells you how much they paid for their truck and you instantly think "what a d!ck"

Ive had extreme trucks before so Im fully aware that the IFS is a limiting factor, if i was going extreme again then there is no way i would start with a Hilux but this is just to transport my Quad really with some offroad capability. And IFS is actually better in some scenarios so need to keep that in mind.

Also due to the weight, you would be surprised what one of these old Hilux's can do compared with a Patrol. My mildly modded Hilux drove through a section at woodhill that a modified patrol got stuck in, several times.

[lax2wlg]

'Needs wheel alignment'. This could be hiding a lot of things that add up $$ just to get it safe and nice to drive on road.

I'd ask him to get it aligned and see if it actually holds an alignment or if the front end is all worn out and full of slop. If it needs new steering/idler/pitman/balljoints etc then that gives you a good bargaining point. The Wheel bearings will probably also be toast with those tyres/rims.

Worst case measure between the two lower control arms where they should have put a crossmember from the factory. It should measure 425-430mm.


If less then the chassis bent which will permanently throw out the alignment. This is common if the vehicle has been used hard.

'4x4 not working'. If he can't get it into 4x4 and demonstrate it, I'd assume the front diff is broken unless he can prove otherwise. This is also pretty common on these particular units.

[J_Dub]

I'm always weary about modified vehicles that do the rounds and aren't up to road standard.

I know a fair bit about hilux's and I wouldn't pay more than $3k in its current state.

You could say its worth $5k when up to a good safe road worthy standard

[derk]

Don't just laugh it off... create a decent argument... Lets face it you were fishing for a response.

Tell us why IFS is so bad. Were you referring to Toyota IFS or IFS in general? Have you ever serviced or operated a HMMVW? Didnt think so.

yep good thinking mate throw a ifs vs solid axle thread up somewhere to list all the pro's and con's for everyone so the ifs tantrums can stay out of all the general threads and not clutter them up all the time

[Crash bandicoot]

Never mind the front... still has original gearbox.... thats going to last...awww.... 5 minutes of driving in anger.?

Considering a stock rb30 with a stock twin cam turbo set up twisted up my ln56 chassi to a nice non warrantable state it wont take long for the weaknesses to show with a buick 3.8 in it. Those earlier chassis cant take it.

[Smurf]

if he ever does override that troublesome ADD system and actually get it into 4wd). That little rear end isnt designed for those levels of spike torque input either.

The 61 series Surf doesn't have the ADD front diff, that came out in the 130 and later models.
But yes it is a pain in the ASS when not working, Free wheeling hubs are way more reliable and easier. The 4wd not engaging as alluded to in the ad will be the auto hubs not engaging properly, hence the having to move back and forward to get it to engage

[J_Dub]

Never mind the front... still has original gearbox.... thats going to last...awww.... 5 minutes of driving in anger.?

Considering a stock rb30 with a stock twin cam turbo set up twisted up my ln56 chassi to a nice non warrantable state it wont take long for the weaknesses to show with a buick 3.8 in it. Those earlier chassis cant take it.

Tell that to Jafa and hosehustler and rokhound and the bulletproof and how many hilux's are fitted with 8s???

Phuck this forum is beginning to be a Nissan wank club

[Crash bandicoot]

Never mind the front... still has original gearbox.... thats going to last...awww.... 5 minutes of driving in anger.?

Considering a stock rb30 with a stock twin cam turbo set up twisted up my ln56 chassi to a nice non warrantable state it wont take long for the weaknesses to show with a buick 3.8 in it. Those earlier chassis cant take it.

Tell that to Jafa and hosehustler and rokhound and the bulletproof...

Phuck this forum is beginning to be a Nissan wank club

you wanna panadol for that sore spot?

[Crash bandicoot]

Actually I will qualify that.
yeah and what? Just because yota couldn't get there **** together and say what about our product in 20 years time like nissan did and make almost all there driveline components interchangable between models and why not over engineer it using commercial components such as a truck engine and gearbox internals.

[J_Dub]

I wank over girls not Nissan's

[Petemcc]

I wank over girls not Nissan's

We'll said. The only "problem" with that truck is the ifs and there are plenty of people running them and still having a good time. Much better on the road. Weld the front diff and with that torque it will be able to go much more slowly than normal and you can control stuff without breaking it.

Don't get me wrong I love my solid axle lux but for they money you wouldn't get a lux that would go as well. Welding the front diff is cheap (or auto locker if you aren't as tight) and will make it go bloody well. My old surf on 33s with lockers went further than a hilux on 33s without lockers.

Gearbox will be fine as will the rear end.

I agree it's worth about 4 but the problem is some dick will pay 6ish for it

[lax2wlg]

Also much better ride quality off road, too. You just have to wonder how hard some high school kid has reamed on this thing. At the end of the day it has the cool lift kit and bling-doggy-dogg wheels, but underneath lies open differentials and factory gears. And probably quite tall ones too.

I wank over girls not Nissan's

Eww gross, I wank over Nissans, sometimes Toyotas but only 'certain ones'. I dont discriminate yo, it just depends on the mood I'm in at the time. I really like some of their DFS stuff. Smurfs one for example is definitely jizz territory - that Surf platform has pretty much perfect dimensions/packaging for a midsize offroader, very similar dimensions dare I say to those awful Terranos we keep hearing about.

Also good call, you are correct re; the ADD thing

[rokhound]

Never mind the front... still has original gearbox.... thats going to last...awww.... 5 minutes of driving in anger.?

Considering a stock rb30 with a stock twin cam turbo set up twisted up my ln56 chassi to a nice non warrantable state it wont take long for the weaknesses to show with a buick 3.8 in it. Those earlier chassis cant take it.

Tell that to Jafa and hosehustler and rokhound and the bulletproof and how many hilux's are fitted with 8s???

Phuck this forum is beginning to be a Nissan wank club

Afarkinmen. As I have stated before, this site pretty much only holds novelty value for me now. Still it is amusing at what some think are the very best of the best when it comes a 4wd. Then you see what they actually drive themselves . Oh well, lifes too short to get all bent up over bizzare people eh?

[ToyZuki]

'Needs wheel alignment'. This could be hiding a lot of things that add up $$ just to get it safe and nice to drive on road.

I'd ask him to get it aligned and see if it actually holds an alignment or if the front end is all worn out and full of slop. If it needs new steering/idler/pitman/balljoints etc then that gives you a good bargaining point. The Wheel bearings will probably also be toast with those tyres/rims.

Worst case measure between the two lower control arms where they should have put a crossmember from the factory. It should measure 425-430mm.


If less then the chassis bent which will permanently throw out the alignment. This is common if the vehicle has been used hard.

'4x4 not working'. If he can't get it into 4x4 and demonstrate it, I'd assume the front diff is broken unless he can prove otherwise. This is also pretty common on these particular units.

Thanks for this helpful post and everyone elses. Being straight up, Im a Suzuki guy but a Quad bike wont fit in the back of the Zuk so its back to a Hilux and to be honest i was pretty impressed with my last one, i drove it hard and never broke anything. I know driving hard and broken dont go in the same sentence but I had a 100% breakage record in my Zuks lol.

Also I know things could be worn to hell but thats true of any 2nd hand car when you dont know what your looking at. Im also looking at this http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =747858998 but then you could say this has the stigma attached to it cos its been used by travelers and they dont look after or service their cars as they only have them short term.

Also the guy could just be real honest with his description as with my Hilux, I sometimes had to reverse and go forward a few times to get it into 4WD but everything was good on that. Had to do it on my Suzukis as well, think its just something that happens with models with a dedicated transfer case setup like the Zuks and old Hiluxs. But ya it could mean other problems as well.

[ToyZuki]

So in the end, it went for 5.5k. Thats funny because it was on Trademe a little while back for 4.8k so someone paid over the top.

While waiting for that auction, I also missed another good looking truck. So yesterday morning, i had 2 trucks in my sights, this morning I have none. Oh well the search continues.

[derk]

he listed it at $1 no reserve I'm sure he'd be stoked with $5.5k to get rid of it