New 3" exhaust doesn't include dump pipe?

[crazydragon]

Hi all,

Need a bit of advice here.

I bought a 3 inch exhaust kit for my 1HD-FTE LandCruiser 100.

Before purchasing I asked if the system would be from turbo back?

They told me yes.

But when I picked it up today, I noticed it didn't come with a dump pipe. Which means I would have to bolt the 3 inch system onto my current factory dump pipe. They also told me that 3 inch dump pipes makes no difference.

The whole system looks pretty good. Fully mandrel bent, no pressure bends at all. But I'm wondering if there is any truth about dump pipe not making a difference..

So would you diesel / Toyota gurus tell me if what he said was true, or if I should just return it because essentially he's false advertising.

Not going to mention who this company is yet until I reach a final decision.

[tweake]

dump pipes certainly make a difference. how much depends on the engine. some are well known for being small and big gains to be had by replacing it.
turbo back means exactly that. it should have a dump pipe.

[Crash bandicoot]

If anything the dump pipe is the crucial component followed by expansion for the gases.

[wopass]

mines prob the same as yours. i put it on, its a semi decent kit, and when i get time to, ill get a 3" dump and re make that end of the zaust to match

[BlakeNZ]

The dump pipe is usually important, and often makes up about 25% of the cost of a complete system, so either get some money back from them , or a full refund. And tell them to correct their advertising. and if they don't play ball -name and shame them.

[crazydragon]

Thanks for the help guys. Will ring them tomorrow for an explaination.

Has anyone got good experiences with XForce systems? I was looking at either that or the one I currently bought. XForce is only mild steel while the one I just bought is aluminium coated mild steel.

[BlakeNZ]

i know it sounds flash, but the coatings don't make much difference IMHO, as in a diesel motor application, the exhaust systems take AGES to rust out.

[hachi_roku]

The force systems aren't that bad, a little bit louder the rage systems... But still good, I've fitted 3 systems to 80 series cruisers in the last 3 weeks.

[a80crewza]

I've got a 3" Rage system from autobend (can also get from 4wdbits.co.nz) on my 80 series, and went through the process of deciding about a dump pipe, but the majority of people I asked said it will be better to buy the kit with the dump pipe. And if the price you payed was for the dump pipe included than that's what you should get..

[crazydragon]

Hachi_Roku, is the X Force systems turbo back or dump pipe back?

a80crewza, Did your RAGE system came with a dump pipe or was the system bolted onto the factory dump pipe?

[a80crewza]

a80crewza, Did your RAGE system came with a dump pipe or was the system bolted onto the factory dump pipe?

There were 2 options, one with and one without the dump pipe. I bought the one with the dump pipe, so bolted on to the back of the turbo.

[crazydragon]

How much did that set you back if you don't mind me asking?

[a80crewza]

How much did that set you back if you don't mind me asking?

About $1300 from memory, put it in myself.

[Lchundy]

Diameter of standard dump pipe on 100 isn't far off 3 inch
I reckon only couple mm off being 3 inches

[hachi_roku]

Yeh all of mine have been with dump pipe.. And the force systems I get for about $1k, and the rage systems are about $1200.. Both with dump pipes.

[crazydragon]

Thanks for all the help guys.

After much going back and forth, I've decided to return the kit and go for an XForce kit. Had a look and they're both very similar in thickness and quality. XForce actually has an extra flexi-joint, comes with dump pipe and is bit cheaper. Should have just asked them to show me the XForce one prior to purchasing the other kit as I would have been sold then and there. They were just too lazy to bring it out to show me the first time.

Hopefully the XForce kit should bolt right on without knocking any of the chassis rails or different components.

Thanks LChundy for the info! I think I'll just put the XForce dump pipe on unless it's just too difficult to take it off the turbo. By the looks of it, the bolts are not too rusted so I'm hoping that it'll come off easily after soaking them with PB Blaster for a few days.

Thanks you everyone, stay awesome!!

[sig]

how did the force system work out .will be putting a 3 inch on my 80 soon and xforce are on TM for 900 .

[crazydragon]

It's not bad for the price. Exhaust itself is of good quality, but the mounts aren't perfect. I had a bit of excess vibration at idle. Tweaked the accelerator pedal a little to increase idle rpm by 100 and now runs fine. No more excess vibration. Exhaust didn't knock any of the chassis components which is good.

Noise levels increased slightly but not much. I like how it sounds now. Can hear the turbo whistle more than the stock exhaust. Turbo also spools up quicker. Used to kick in at about 2000rpm but now starts at about 1700rpm.

Would I purchase it again? Yes if I intend to keep the truck for 2 years, no if I want to keep it even longer. But then again our options in NZ are very limited. I wanted a Beaudesert system but too much trouble to ship it from Aus if anything goes wrong.

I'm pretty happy about mine and it sounds like a lot of people have xforce on their 80 series and had no troubles whatsoever.

[sig]

cheers for that .have just bought one of TM .now "a little boy waits".am also browsing intercoolers.tried to go the in front option but when i had a look 8x90degree bends has put me off.am looking at top mount now.just need to find out what size will fit cheers sig

[hachi_roku]

the rage ( autobend system ) is nicer, quieter and sounds better.

[gary_in_nz]

do the xforce exhausts from trademe include the dump pipes?

[Big]

do the xforce exhausts from trademe include the dump pipes?

mine did..

[crazydragon]

Yeap TradeMe xForce exhausts came with a dump pipe. Yeah I reckon the Rage system is higher in quality, but personally I don't think it's justifiable to put out another $400 for it. Plus I like the look of the exhaust pointing downwards to the road (xForce) rather than backwards to another motorist (Rage).

[hachi_roku]

My rage exhaust system points downward, ive fitted a few systems of both the rage and xforce and quality the rage is better with a better muffler if your wanting a freeflow quieter system.. if you dont care about the noise the xforce is fine.

[a80crewza]

My rage exhaust system points downward, ive fitted a few systems of both the rage and xforce and quality the rage is better with a better muffler if your wanting a freeflow quieter system.. if you dont care about the noise the xforce is fine.

X2 mine points downward. Very good quality unit..

[Big]

my xforce points downwards also and the tone is just right..