Almost a 4x4, can i enter Nationals with this.um truck

tpft · Post by **tpft** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:45 pm

Hiya,
just joined up, been keen on getting involved for a while in the whole 4wd scene and lately been scouring the country looking for a suzzie or somthing similiar, would love to have one of thease d class rigs for sale on TM parked in my garage but prob $$$$ and 3 hungry kids will mean not right now.

Anyway heard nats start in welly in october and had a crazy idea , i do own a Polaris Ranger at the moment, i know its not really a 4wd truck
but it is 4wd has decent suspension and i,ve taken it some nutty places.
thought it would be good for crowd entertainment if nothing else
Being not sure if it was even allowed i,ve emailed varoius links for a copy of the rules and haven,t had a reply

I guess what i,m asking if i made the roll cage stronger, put 30 inch tires on it (yes they are avail 30/12-12) , belts etc etc would i be allowed to enter and if so
a,b,c, or d class.
Bet some of the d class guys would love it when a 500cc stock vechile
cleaned a section.............

Since i,ve been looking on here and other websites for rules/regs why doesn,t someone copy them and post them up on this site?
seem a lot of other people want copy too.

skid · Post by **skid** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:48 pm

you'd have your work cut out to get it to a trial.

post pics of the other creations please, there are lots of pic whores on here.

tpft · Post by **tpft** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:50 pm

why 4?

tpft · Post by **tpft** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:55 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4cGjVpx5A

Like to see a suzzie do this.

want to see v8 bike pics i need someone to host the pics, if someone willing i can email pics to them

adogg · Post by **adogg** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:08 pm

dunno bout a suzzie but my 2.5ton 80 series could drive ova that log in high range :twisted:

skid · Post by **skid** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:18 pm

by the way, you're not allowed to stop in a hazard, so that guy wouldn't of got far at all.

people have talked about building quad based trials trucks before but they've never been seen.

some guys have tried rotors, but they sucked and one guy put an outboard motor in his suzuki with a belt drive system but that sucked too.

you can buy a copy of the rules for $20 and read up.
everyone likes to see new stuff, so give it a go.

MNC · Post by **MNC** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:27 pm

Surely that is a piss take! - dont think I would have even slowed down for that log. :lol:

Probabily why my truck is stuck in the garage :shock:

tpft · Post by **tpft** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:03 pm

ok, that surprises me, maybe a bad idea and i keep looking for something bit more tradational

Surely not another stock vechile that could climb a log like that though?
based on height of the ranger it must be nealry a metre high.?

I,m only going on what limited experiannce i have, up old thompsons track
we have been over and back and passed real "looking" 4x4,s with winches and big simmex,s working hard.

guess weight comes into it, some too, guy in vid swung it over the log mostly using his bodyweight swaying back and forth, which is why i posted it

still wonder if another few inches ground clearance and 30 inch tyres would see it at least be competative in A class.
how about this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bo3xsy6aks

never mind, Hey thats why i asked for your guys thoughts, thanks for input

found couple more vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRWmMsTqDOU

plus thompson track track repair machine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HyZ-raQseg

turoa · Post by **turoa** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:14 pm

I think its a good idea. If its standard then it should be alowed in a class shouldnt it?

dazza85 · Post by **dazza85** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:31 am

Go the ATV's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhvucJFfpxc

tpft · Post by **tpft** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:39 am

So could someone who has a current rule book, have a quick look and tell me if it is even allowed? has front and rear diff lockers so what class?

SMOKEY · Post by **SMOKEY** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:22 am

I think I smell a RAT

. Another elmojerry :?:

.

GIVE ENOUGH ROPE AND HE WILL HANG HIMSELF,

FITZY.

kiwipete · Post by **kiwipete** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:40 am

tpft wrote:So could someone who has a current rule book, have a quick look and tell me if it is even allowed? has front and rear diff lockers so what class?

skid wrote:you can buy a copy of the rules for $20 and read up.
everyone likes to see new stuff, so give it a go.

Like skid says, go buy the rules and look it up. Maybe you might suprise everyone, or give them a dam good laugh.

MATT4U · Post by **MATT4U** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:03 pm

SMOKEY wrote:I think I smell a RAT . Another elmojerry .

GIVE ENOUGH ROPE AND HE WILL HANG HIMSELF,

FITZY.

likewise

tpft · Post by **tpft** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:52 pm

thanks for reply,s

i emailed a few people about getting a copy of rules, mostly got forwarded other email addresses, last one was Jude Weatherly at info@nzebseilers.co.nz but email came back.
just thought one of u guys could say yeigh or neigh

Either its a stupid ####### idea or not, i know it would eat any std vechile
and totally condifent it would go more places then mildly modded suzuki.s.

they run 9 inches indpendant suspension travel front and rear standard,11 inches ground clearance, electric diff lockers front and rear and prob weigh half of what a suzuki does. fuel injected and low range cvt trans.

with 30 inch grunty ATV tires (25inch std) it would gain some height, and i could machine new pulley for cvt to lower gearing plus cut guards for clearance.
I,m talking about chopping up a 17k brand new vechile here and i am totally seroius.

mercutio · Post by **mercutio** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:10 pm

tpft wrote:thanks for reply,s

i emailed a few people about getting a copy of rules, mostly got forwarded other email addresses, last one was Jude Weatherly at info@nzebseilers.co.nz but email came back.
just thought one of u guys could say yeigh or neigh

Either its a stupid ####### idea or not, i know it would eat any std vechile
and totally condifent it would go more places then mildly modded suzuki.s.

they run 11 inches indpendant suspension travel front and rear standard, electric diff lockers front and rear and prob weigh half of what a suzuki does. fuel injected and low range cvt trans.

with 30 inch grunty ATV tires (25inch std) it would gain some height, and i could machine new pulley for cvt to lower gearing plus cut guards for clearance.
I,m talking about chopping up a 17k brand new vechile here and i am totally seroius.

i think it is a great idea
but then i have some strange ideas :lol:

Furgus · Post by **Furgus** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:25 pm

tpft wrote:i emailed a few people about getting a copy of rules, mostly got forwarded other email addresses, last one was Jude Weatherly at info@nzebseilers.co.nz but email came back.

Try info@nzabseilers dot co dot nz

Furgus

MAHINDRACJ4A · Post by **MAHINDRACJ4A** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:05 pm

mercutio wrote:
tpft wrote:thanks for reply,s

i emailed a few people about getting a copy of rules, mostly got forwarded other email addresses, last one was Jude Weatherly at info@nzebseilers.co.nz but email came back.
just thought one of u guys could say yeigh or neigh

Either its a stupid ####### idea or not, i know it would eat any std vechile
and totally condifent it would go more places then mildly modded suzuki.s.

they run 11 inches indpendant suspension travel front and rear standard, electric diff lockers front and rear and prob weigh half of what a suzuki does. fuel injected and low range cvt trans.

with 30 inch grunty ATV tires (25inch std) it would gain some height, and i could machine new pulley for cvt to lower gearing plus cut guards for clearance.
I,m talking about chopping up a 17k brand new vechile here and i am totally seroius.

i think it is a great idea
but then i have some strange ideas

i say bloddy go for it, something differant, but to cut up a 17k brand new quad/4x4 :roll:

tpft · Post by **tpft** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:19 pm

maybe afterwards i could swap it for one of thoose d class rigs on trade me :wink:

MAHINDRACJ4A · Post by **MAHINDRACJ4A** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:31 am

there is some info in the oranz rule book about all the class and all

heres the link

http://www.oranz.co.nz/artman/uploads/2 ... lebook.pdf

right click, save target as if you want to save it to your computer

tpft · Post by **tpft** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:39 am

wonder if in the trials rulebook does it state "must run a conventional production car engine" if so that could rule out ranger

MAHINDRACJ4A · Post by **MAHINDRACJ4A** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:46 am

tpft wrote:wonder if in the trials rulebook does it state "must run a conventional production car engine" if so that could rule out ranger

but the ranger is still a production car/quad/truck with a production engine

i don't see what the problem would be
unless it was homemade with various bits and pieces used of shit load of brands

tpft · Post by **tpft** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:41 am

even then, if it was homemade with varoius bits of many brands i suppose
becuase that desribes every d class trials rig there is?

Will never be a promblem if it sucks, only if it actually beat somebody :cry:

i,ll keep workin on copy of rules.

other thing i want to check on is tyres, this is a 30 inch ITP tire , biggest atv tire in the world , thoose lugs are 1.5 inches deep, not avail in nz

(standard it comes 25x10x12) this looks a little more chunky then any simmex i,ve ever seen

I would have thought there would be a rule somwhere about tyres too
distannce of knobs etc etc

Furgus · Post by **Furgus** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:38 pm

tpft wrote:other thing i want to check on is tyres, this is a 30 inch ITP tire , biggest atv tire in the world , thoose lugs are 1.5 inches deep, not avail in nz

(standard it comes 25x10x12) this looks a little more chunky then any simmex i,ve ever seen

I would have thought there would be a rule somwhere about tyres too
distannce of knobs etc etc

The rule book says something about agricultural tyres are not permitted so I guess that would include those ones

dvszuk · Post by **dvszuk** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:30 pm

MAHINDRACJ4A wrote:there is some info in the oranz rule book about all the class and all

heres the link

http://www.oranz.co.nz/artman/uploads/2 ... lebook.pdf

right click, save target as if you want to save it to your computer

Why would you look in the ORANZ rule book for info on trials. Totally differant sport and assotiation.

tpft · Post by **tpft** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:24 pm

When i get copy of rules, think i,ll scan the whole thing and post a link,
think a few people will find it usefull

petefj40 · Post by **petefj40** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:01 pm

tpft wrote:even then, if it was homemade with varoius bits of many brands i suppose
becuase that desribes every d class trials rig there is?

Will never be a promblem if it sucks, only if it actually beat somebody i,ll keep workin on copy of rules.

other thing i want to check on is tyres, this is a 30 inch ITP tire , biggest atv tire in the world , thoose lugs are 1.5 inches deep, not avail in nz

(standard it comes 25x10x12) this looks a little more chunky then any simmex i,ve ever seen

I would have thought there would be a rule somwhere about tyres too
distannce of knobs etc etc

Don't mean to change the subject. But I own a BRP Outlander and run ITP 26X12-12's on the rear. I was going to put them on the front but I was told that the "visco locking system" (on the front, locking the diff) wouldn't kick in as well, as the larger diameter reduced the clutch pressure. I wonder how that quad on the right goes when you want the front locked up.

tpft · Post by **tpft** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:39 pm

HI,
im a can am dealer , Have seen a vid of a renegade (Same diff) running 29.5,s going threw a bog, seemed to be hooking up just fine.

with the viscous diff, wheel slips like 1 or two turns (on rollers)
done threw oil pressure not clutchs
may take a little longer for the slippin wheel to hook up with bigger rubber
but with 26,s i,d say it would be hardly noticable and plus bigger wheel is going to climb over the obstacle better anyway.

differance between a wornout tire and a new one is going to be a inch

650 or 800?

petefj40 · Post by **petefj40** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:01 pm

tpft wrote:HI,
im a can am dealer , Have seen a vid of a renegade (Same diff) running 29.5,s going threw a bog, seemed to be hooking up just fine.

with the viscous diff, wheel slips like 1 or two turns (on rollers)
done threw oil pressure not clutchs
may take a little longer for the slippin wheel to hook up with bigger rubber
but with 26,s i,d say it would be hardly noticable and plus bigger wheel is going to climb over the obstacle better anyway.

differance between a wornout tire and a new one is going to be a inch

650 or 800?

Cool. Thanks for the info. "650 or 800?" 800's. I own a Renegade as well.
:oops:

Dr_PC · Post by **Dr_PC** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:28 pm

Furgus wrote:
tpft wrote:other thing i want to check on is tyres, this is a 30 inch ITP tire , biggest atv tire in the world , thoose lugs are 1.5 inches deep, not avail in nz

(standard it comes 25x10x12) this looks a little more chunky then any simmex i,ve ever seen

I would have thought there would be a rule somwhere about tyres too
distannce of knobs etc etc

The rule book says something about agricultural tyres are not permitted so I guess that would include those ones

All vehicles MUST NOT HAVE the following
(f) Agricultural tyres: An agricultural tyre is defined as any tyre, not legal for road use or speed rated for less than 30 Kph, having the clearance area exceeding 58% of tread area at 6psi