Scopes and rifles and sighting-in

Moriarty · Post by **Moriarty** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:16 pm

Bloody hell. My scope is full of steam! GRRR A nice Weaver Wideview, 1.5 to 4 vari-power.

Only had it 25 years, what ever happened to a lifetime warranties?

Had to go and buy a new scope.

PELOI, assembled in Timaru of all places. Also lifetime warranty.

Went up to Bosshogg's place, we was going to wander off and try it out. spent the weekend helping them lay concrete paving slabs.
Went out to Wopass's place, watched him struggle with his FJ, RAINED!!! couldn't shot in a rifle in those conditions, so played in his priavte wee hill climb instead.

Stopped in Taupo on way home and wallowed in hot water at De Bretts. Very nice.

Still haven't sighted in the .44 yet.

Not going to reload for it, only $60 for 50 rounds and I chuck the empty cases all over the where in the bush anyway, semie's are great, but not for reloading.

gary_in_nz · Post by **gary_in_nz** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:26 pm

in regards to your scope fogging up i sent mine to the optics lab in wellington and they rekitted it and refilled it with nitrogen for $80 plus postage, have a look around or take it into your local shop most the time they can arrange to get it there.

Moriarty · Post by **Moriarty** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:25 pm

gary_in_nz wrote:in regards to your scope fogging CLIP e to get it there.

I did that, Some old dude in WTN does it and apparently does quite a good job. Much as I would love to have my little Weaver back and running again, it was goi8ng to cost me some $200 to have it done. The Peloi was $130 with TWO sets of scope mounts.

Madaz · Post by **Madaz** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:34 pm

Why not try emailing Weaver in the states and see what they have to say?

Moriarty · Post by **Moriarty** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:51 pm

Madaz wrote:Why not try emailing Weaver in the states and see what they have to say?

That is the next step/
Weaver are no more, sob sob sob!!! About 25 years ago, the company was bought out by SIMMONS and Weaver are now marketed by them, but still under the Weaver brand name.

Also, they have stopped producing the oval section "O" rings for the Wideview series. BUGGER !

Wondew if Simmons are also producing the weaver bases etc? as well as wll the other sights and associated paraphernalia?

prespec · Post by **prespec** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:17 am

http://www.weaver-scope-repair.com/

This outfit is in Texas and they work on early Weavers.

Bill Ackerman from El-Paso used to be the Weaver guy, but I don't know if he's still around.

Steve_t647 · Post by **Steve_t647** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:19 am

With the Semi you can buy a catch net for your shells clips over the opening where the cartridge ejects.

I havent bothered and dont repack the cartridges, when I did the results were too inconsistant. Shotgun fine but rifle I want the accurace and consistancy from the bullet.

Good luck with the hunting.

Jafa · Post by **Jafa** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:43 am

Consistency is the whole point of reloading your own, I have far better results loading my own than factory ammo, de;pends what you are doing I guess, but apart from rimfire's I'd never go back to factory ammo....anyway not many companies makes .300 whisper ammo :lol:

. If you are reloading your own, and getting poor results, then either your gear is not up to scratch, or your methods are poor. I find tho that I get more tangled up in finding the 'perfect" load, rather than getting out and actually killing shit! :roll:

As for the scope, throw it away and spend good cash on a Leupold, best bang for buck scopes you can get, mines been all over the place and in all temperatures, rain etc, and never missed a beat, i reakon scopes if ya pay fawk all, then ya gets fawk all :lol:

Moriarty · Post by **Moriarty** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:13 am

Jafa wrote:Consistency is the whole point of reloading your own, I have far better results loading my own than factory ammo, de;pends what you are doing I guess, but apart from rimfire's I'd never go back to factory ammo....anyway not many companies makes .300 whisper ammo . If you are reloading your own, and getting poor results, then either your gear is not up to scratch, or your methods are poor. I find tho that I get more tangled up in finding the 'perfect" load, rather than getting out and actually killing shit!

As for the scope, throw it away and spend good cash on a Leupold, best bang for buck scopes you can get, mines been all over the place and in all temperatures, rain etc, and never missed a beat, i reakon scopes if ya pay fawk all, then ya gets fawk all

started reloading when ammo was around 3.50 box .303.....
bought a swag of NORMA loaded brass for the 303 for 6.50 box. Humoungously expensisve for them thar days! getting around 35 per hour

Still got most of that brass left, we managed to tune a couple of 303s up to shoot close to MOA. My son now uses one of them 303s!!! still a damn good cannon.

years ago, I bought BRNO .222R was "shot out" Yrah, Right!! me and BossHogg cleaned and cleaned and CLEANED it, tailored a load for it, and it will now shoot 1/2moa. Pore thing had been used by Phill Scott as a deer cullrs waepon, was FULL of coppe fouling and "stuff" Now, it's my long range goat gun.

.44RM mag only shoots around 4 MOA but at 25 yrds on Jap deer, who cares? Only gets to go BANG 4 5 time a year too, so no point reloading.

Steve_t647 · Post by **Steve_t647** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:27 am

My Dad still has one of these old 303 canon's (and some old ammo

) last time I went out shooting with it there was no way we could get close to MOA you have done well!

And the old gun leaves nice bruses compared to my newer gun, the 303 was built when you could fail, be spanked as children, be fired for being incompetent, fall down a rock face and it is your fault (not the farmer for not fencing it) and respected police.

My how things have changed.... :roll:

Sadam_Husain · Post by **Sadam_Husain** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:27 pm

My leupold's 25 years old and no sign of fog sneaking in there yet :wink:

drtylilman · Post by **drtylilman** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:20 pm

Know what you mean about trying to reload semi's. Every time I go out to the pistol range, I find a couple of hundred rounds and take home a handfull of empties the rest dissappears and become lawnmower fodder.

haynzy · Post by **haynzy** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:33 pm

As for the scope, throw it away and spend good cash on a Leupold, best bang for buck scopes you can get, mines been all over the place and in all temperatures, rain etc, and never missed a beat, i reakon scopes if ya pay fawk all, then ya gets fawk all

Im with you there jafa although dont know about leupold :wink:

my 4200 elite bushnell is alot better at low light than my old vx2 leupold

prespec · Post by **prespec** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:34 pm

Dead right about optics Jafa. There is no way to make a reliable vari-power scope on the cheap. They will have backlash on the adjustments, point of impact shift on power change and shake apart under recoil.

The Leupolds are great and generally deliver . Bushnell Elite 3200/ 4200 series are easily as good , and are reliable . The Nikon Buckmasters are getting good reviews too. The Weaver Grand -slams seem to work just fine .
Even the good brands can have problems, so warranty is important.

Many of the cheap fixed-power scopes are OK provided they don't leak.
Nikko Stirlings, Tasco and lower end Bushnells etc., usually have great glass and are just fine for most hunting purposes.

If you Google "buy chinese scope' you will have about a million returns from companies making what appear to be sophisticated scopes.
They will put any brand name on them you want provided you buy enough. These are turning up everywhere now and they look great.
It's a pity most of them fall down in the quality control department.

More accuracy problems are caused by crap scopes than just about anything else, and they are often the last thing considered when troubleshooting.

Good factory ammo is now better than many can handload and it is not uncommon for an off the shelf rifle to be capable of sub-MOA.
So spend a few bucks on decent optics......it's not just about the image quality....anyone can do that nowadays.