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Yo intro

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:29 pm
by yorick
Well I been hanging about here for a week and I did the co-driver thing for Merc at the Pureora/Ngaroma weekend so I suppose I should introduce myself. I was christened Graham but my geek mates call me Yorick or Yo.. after the Skull in Hamlet .... because we share a hairstyle!

My 4WD history started in the Army, Regular force RNZEME 70 to 74 TF 74 to 81. I did my apprenticeship there and was seconded to the 1inf Workshops Recovery Team in Papakura pretty much soon as I arrived. Our first wagon was a Scammell Pioneer. Pig of a thing, some people like 'em... unless they had to work in the bloody things day after day, Slow as hell, armstrong steering, hot , uncomfortable and on and on although I will admit it had much traction for a 6x4. Down to the fact that a single diff drove out to gear trains inside an oscillating axle setup (Like a grader, though most Graders use chains rather than gears) and it had a transverse leaf spring on the front which gave it the ability to get through some weird places and still keep all it's feet on the ground.

No2 was the RLW in my avatar. 4x4 naturally, built to British army spec. We were told that it was about 8 tonne, but I reckon that was BS, it was hard work on the road that thing 300 cubic inch (4.9 litre in new money) petrol engine with a single zenith carb, pushing out 100 struggling horses. The Wrecker always went at the back of a convoy for obvious reasons, but it was a good thing because with all her ropes and chains and anchors and dunnage blocks and all the other tricky dicky stuff you accumulate to make recoveries fast and easy, she would do about 40 mph flat out, downhill with a tail wind. If that thing weighed a kilo under 10 tonne I would eat me jocks. However when it came to doing it's job it was great. It was well geared out with everything you would ever need in one of the 500 odd lockers. Unfortunately in terms of straight pull the winch on it wasn't that great so a lot of block and tackle work was necessary if you had a dead weight pull of more than 5 tonnes (Slightly bogged RL with no drive, not uncommon). Problem was that the RLs and the LRs didn't really need us unless there was a prang cos they went everywhere in convoys and they worked things out for themselves. We usually got called when nothing else worked or nobody else wanted to! Picture storm pissing rain, mud up to armpits ... that sort of thing.

Heh, it was a good thing cos we all fuckin loved it, the harder the deeper the better. The bigger the storm, the higher the bank, the bigger the fight to do the job. All the recovery teams were bolshy bastards always in the shit with some tosser or other usually an officer, but in eleven years and Recovery in some serious places (Crane upside down in the swamps in Gwavas forest) and some bloody big pulls (Cat D8H out of swamp in Waiouru a calculated 120 tonnes of steady pull at the D8's ripper frame) there was never an injury accident that involved gear or rigging failure. A good thing because in late 73 we got US Army issue M816s, we thought all our christmases had come at once. They were great. Came with a snatch block installed and the winch rope attached to the back of the truck. 75000 lbs pull at the Snatch block. Woohoo.

After I got out, naturally I eventually bought a Landrover... A 109" Series IIA. Not for play, purely for work and that's the way it's always been, just for work... with just the occasional bit of play had it for years eventually upgraded from the old 2 and a quarter to a 202 Holden. I was sorry to sell that because unlike it seems the rest of the world, my Rover never broke, not so much as an axle, a diff or anything, it just went... sucking down petrol like it had it's own personall oil well.

There's alway been a thing in the back of my mind .... Na actually at the front, that I'd eventually get something to play in. Last weekend in Ngaroma brought it all to the boil. Now, in the best possible world this plaything would be a G-Wagen, can't afford that right now and my son bought the only handy one! Bugger. Might have to settle for a Disco or a hard core Rangy or maybe a zook... a Mitsi, always liked Toyotas... Hmmm.

Shit this is long. :)

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:06 pm
by UBZ
45,000lb haul winch :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I want one...

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:25 pm
by niblik
welcome chief.. you'll fit right on in.. :wink:

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:44 am
by Leithfield
Welcome to ORE Yorick - suggest you opt for a Toyota or it might truly be a case of:
"Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio; a fellow of infinite jest ..." :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:26 am
by Steve_t647
Welcome aboard and What an Intro I bet there are a few more stories, the armed forces seem quite rough on stuff :)

Never been in the Army but have seen them write off a Hilux falling off a corner on a stockbank and try fit a unimog between 2 trees folloing a landrover, um Yeah they needed wiskers to tell them it was about half a meter too small!

I am not sure how the LR did not break on you, all the ones I know have broken something at some stage could be driving style tho.

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:19 am
by Jerry
Bubba on here is ex army :lol: , welcome aboard......there may be a waiouru trip in the new year (hopefully)

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:44 am
by Bubba
I was in the real Army, 1RNZIR then NZIC (green slime), teeth arm Corps, none of that pougy blue hat wearing crowd! hahahaha just kidding there fella!

I use to luv the look of them big old Duce and a Half recovery trucks(M816). There's still one in the Welly area used by a civi heavy truck recovery company.

A mate (EME) told me that more every hour on the road they spent something like a hour and a half in the shop but that there was nothing that could replace them so they had to keep them. Not sure what they have now though

Anyway, enough bullshit war stories, welcome aboard

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:35 am
by yorick
Steve_t647 wrote:Welcome aboard and What an Intro I bet there are a few more stories, the armed forces seem quite rough on stuff :)
Thanks for the welcome, yea there were one or two that were a bit rough on gear. I was posted for a short while to Sylvia Park. In those days, before the Mall, it was Government Stores Board. Army had a workshop there that did predelivery checks on new vehicles. The army had bought a bunch of International C1100 4bees to be set up as ambulances.... But not before we used them as stock cars around Sylvia Park. man you could get them to drift real easy with just cab and chassis. Hell of a way to get run-in. :)

Never been in the Army but have seen them write off a Hilux falling off a corner on a stockbank and try fit a unimog between 2 trees folloing a landrover, um Yeah they needed wiskers to tell them it was about half a meter too small!

I am not sure how the LR did not break on you, all the ones I know have broken something at some stage could be driving style tho.


The main weak points were the tractor joint seals, the little felt washer on the end of front axle splines and the diffs. Our workshop in Linton had a 109 IIA set up on 900x16 muddys. Good wagon that had a belt drive DC welder inside hooked up to the PTO. But that thing used to spit diffs like they were going out of fashion. We got heavy duty crownwheels from Solihull (identified by a groove machined into the outer diameter of the crownwheel) and reduced the wheel size to 825 and never more had problems. For the most part LR's are designed to operate close to the limit of the build. It's pretty easy to take them past that. Plus for the most part right up til the Series III it was a design that dated back to 1940. Most of the upgrades were cosmetic. really they have more in common with Tractors than Cars. (I mean how many cars have a tractor standard 540 rpm PTO as a factory accessory) Essentially though if used for what they're designed, they're bullet proof. When they did the 50 year thing a while back it was discovered that 75% of all Rovers built are still going. None of them of course are comfortable or economical but they're still chugging. I also came across another unique Rover stat. I can't remember it exactly but it was something like The first car seen by 60%(or something) of worlds population was a Landrover. Heh that's very high Cool factor!

These days I prefer G-Wagens. There is something civilised about being able to carry on a quiet conversation with a 3 litre diesel revving at it's limit in front of you while having the seat keeping your butt warm. :)

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:03 pm
by yorick
Bubba wrote:I was in the real Army, 1RNZIR then NZIC (green slime), teeth arm Corps, none of that pougy blue hat wearing crowd! hahahaha just kidding there fella
:lol: That sorta rivalry was great back in the day. Closest I got to wearing Grass Stain on my head was when we was asked to volunteer for secondment to the Maroon beret types. They needed mechanics and we were in Papakura after all. Had that idea beaten outta me pretty quick. :lol:
Who Dares is BrainDead ;)

I use to luv the look of them big old Duce and a Half recovery trucks(M816). There's still one in the Welly area used by a civi heavy truck recovery company.

A mate (EME) told me that more every hour on the road they spent something like a hour and a half in the shop but that there was nothing that could replace them so they had to keep them. Not sure what they have now though
Yep that was the truth, their biggest problem was the complexity. Winches Hydraulics and auto everything. But all that was forgiven because they looked hardcore and we could cabby about with the roof off and the screen down! And my god they could pull, We pulled a drowned M113 out of the Amphib training pond at Waiouru once. Straight pull cos none of us wanted to take the snatch block out there and hook it up. Full of water it was. Bloody driver forgot to lock down his hatch. Dropped the spades, give 1000 revs and she didn't even break a sweat.

Anyway, enough bullshit war stories, welcome aboard
Yea shit if we ever got together over a tray or two we could bore these poor buggers to death :lol: :lol: :lol:

If there is a Waiouru trip on, I'd be up for that. Been 25+ years since I last saw the Argo Road

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:46 pm
by yorick
Leithfield wrote:Welcome to ORE Yorick - suggest you opt for a Toyota or it might truly be a case of:
"Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio; a fellow of infinite jest ..." :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hell I'm just impressed you got that first line of the quote right, most people misquote it by going I knew him well Horatio.

I'm a big fan of Toyota. In the days I was bush contracting, a guy I worked with had a three speed 40. It was a seriously impressive wagon. I worked on High Country Sheep stations in the late seventies early eighties and a farm I worked on had a four speed and a five. On road they were perhaps a little better with a horse float or sommat on the back, but the three speed was way better out in the shit. So you never know. :) Open mind!

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:32 pm
by Bubba
yorick wrote:Who Dares is BrainDead ;)


That is a fairly accurate description of most of them!

Most favorate was always "Who cares who wins"

If there is a Waiouru trip on, I'd be up for that. Been 25+ years since I last saw the Argo Road


I look forward to spinning a few stories over a cold one (or 12), there's a couple of graduates from the University of Waiouru hanging around the site, but not many, but more than a few are interested in sampling the delights that Waiouru has to offer which has to be arguably some of the best open country four wheel driving in the country.

I am gently seeing if we can ease our way in there, that in it's self is a bit of a mine field :roll:

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:12 pm
by yorick
Bubba wrote:I look forward to spinning a few stories over a cold one (or 12), there's a couple of graduates from the University of Waiouru hanging around the site, but not many, but more than a few are interested in sampling the delights that Waiouru has to offer which has to be arguably some of the best open country four wheel driving in the country.
Amen to that, especially out the other side of the Mowhango.
I am gently seeing if we can ease our way in there, that in it's self is a bit of a mine field :roll:
I can imagine, bloody bureaucracy, didn't they used to let people use the old Six Crosses Camp?

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:36 pm
by Bubba
Six Crosses, yeah I think they still do, which would be a damned good base camp. Cold Kiwi M/C still use it I believe. Or maybe the "O" and we can go to the Scrubbers Ball.

I wanna get out the back of Paradise Valley (where the grass is green and the sheep are pretty).

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:14 pm
by skid
yorick wrote:These days I prefer G-Wagens. There is something civilised about being able to carry on a quiet conversation with a 3 litre diesel revving at it's limit in front of you while having the seat keeping your butt warm. :)


oh my god, hes corrupted you already. If you get one will you promise to have it on the road sooner than mercutio did. :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol:


yorick wrote:I'm a big fan of Toyota. In the days I was bush contracting, a guy I worked with had a three speed 40. It was a seriously impressive wagon. I worked on High Country Sheep stations in the late seventies early eighties and a farm I worked on had a four speed and a five. On road they were perhaps a little better with a horse float or sommat on the back, but the three speed was way better out in the shit. So you never know. :) Open mind!


bugger what everyone else says, by a toyota. 40 series are the shit, otherwise get a 70. any cruiser will do, but please no not another G Wagon. :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:05 pm
by mercutio
he really wants the other g wagen the guy had the lwb one with the 5.0 litre OHC alloy V8 in it :D :D

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:22 pm
by skid
mercutio wrote:he really wants the other g wagen the guy had the lwb one with the 5.0 litre OHC alloy V8 in it :D :D


these g wags are starting to sound better

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:54 pm
by mercutio
skid wrote:
mercutio wrote:he really wants the other g wagen the guy had the lwb one with the 5.0 litre OHC alloy V8 in it :D :D


these g wags are starting to sound better


i forgot to mention the body lift and suspension lift he has done to fit the 35" tyres

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:57 pm
by yorick
skid wrote:
mercutio wrote:he really wants the other g wagen the guy had the lwb one with the 5.0 litre OHC alloy V8 in it :D :D


these g wags are starting to sound better


Oh yeah and it's running 35s with about a 2 or 3 inch body lift and a spring lift and trick suspension that gives brilliant deflection and besides that there is no noise quite like a Merc V8 on the redline .. Beeeeyootiful. :D :D

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:34 pm
by yorick
skid wrote:
mercutio wrote:he really wants the other g wagen the guy had the lwb one with the 5.0 litre OHC alloy V8 in it :D :D


these g wags are starting to sound better


The beast isn't in here but these are a couple the same guy has built
http://www.mercworxs.co.nz/restored.html

It should be noted that G-Wagens don't come as flat decks as standard. You have to see the workmanship to believe it.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:24 am
by Goose
yorick wrote:
Leithfield wrote:Welcome to ORE Yorick - suggest you opt for a Toyota or it might truly be a case of:
"Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio; a fellow of infinite jest ..." :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hell I'm just impressed you got that first line of the quote right, most people misquote it by going I knew him well Horatio.


Ah yes, Leithfield is our token "Clever Bastard" (Bastardus Cleverus) :P

Good old Waiouru..... I grew up in Turangi :shock: So I know it well.... Mum was the AA rep, so if you ever had a call to go rescue some stupid bugger trying to drive the desert rd in snow, it was probably her!! (She used to tell them "You cant go down the desert rd today, there's 3 foot of snow", they never listened... :oops: Then a call to you boys to go drag them out......)

Welcome, brother!!

Goose

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:13 am
by petefj40
yorick wrote:
skid wrote:
mercutio wrote:he really wants the other g wagen the guy had the lwb one with the 5.0 litre OHC alloy V8 in it :D :D


these g wags are starting to sound better


The beast isn't in here but these are a couple the same guy has built
http://www.mercworxs.co.nz/restored.html

It should be noted that G-Wagens don't come as flat decks as standard. You have to see the workmanship to believe it.


Hi there yorick.
Great intro at the start of the thread. Bloody good read! I think you'll enjoy it here. Some very helpful people. And from the sound of it, they'll be lookin' for some help from you. :D

Cool link above. Liked the pic of the flat deck truck with the raced Mec on the back. What a setup! :shock:

Anyway,
Welcome!
:salut:

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:25 am
by Moriarty
Jerry wrote:Bubba on here is ex army :lol: , welcome aboard......there may be a waiouru trip in the new year (hopefully)


Jerry, you HAVE to be kidding me, After repeated calls, lots of (empty) promises, the Army has been as intransigent as it's possible to get!

Apologies for threadjack.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:50 am
by Jerry
Don't panic Captain Mannering..... :lol:

it will happen and I'll make it happen ....somehow :lol:

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:23 am
by Moriarty
Jerry wrote:Don't panic Captain Mannering..... :lol:

it will happen and I'll make it happen ....somehow :lol:


If I am Capt Mannering, you are...............

The one who runs around in ever-diminishing circles crying out, don't panic!!!

However, If you CAN make it happen, I will be in that trip!! Regardless.

Wonder why they are like that? full of promises etc, but don't make them good. Does nothing for their personal reputations.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:32 pm
by fweddy
Moriarty wrote:
Jerry wrote:Don't panic Captain Mannering..... :lol:

it will happen and I'll make it happen ....somehow :lol:


If I am Capt Mannering, you are...............

The one who runs around in ever-diminishing circles crying out, don't panic!!!


Jonesie - the blithering Corporal Jones!

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:56 pm
by Jerry
would that make Fweddy Pike then ... :lol: Stupid Boy :lol:

Any more cheek and I'll take my bayonet and stick it up your ...... them fuzzie wuzzies don't like it up there ..... back in the old days we use to .....zzzzzzzz

So Bubba would be the dodgy one :lol: