Loacl recovery squads

[JTop]

Maybe $15 dollars for the hook but another $400 dollars to fit it to the latest Pajero with unitary construction and large plastic bumpers.
The latest hiluxs are no better, collapsible chassis rails.

I agree with what you are saying but the hook mounts need to be good ones.
J Top

[SupraLux]

Also, the longest and most negative post in this entire thread happens to be yours Steve

Mike

Oh bullshit - you need to read it again because you've missed the point. Its not negative, its observation and its based on how ORE works - well, how it has worked in the past anyway.

Or just ignore it.

[krawlr]

mike go hard and do it and get mark to start a database im fully behind ya with a heap of recovery gear and maybe let the guys from chch sort there own recovery fleet out

[De-Ranged]

A couple of points that I've seen

We can set a min requirement..."You want access to the list you are required to have the following... failure to have these to a safe standard will result in ... an earbashing on the spot, public ridicule on ORE and possably in the recovery vehicle going home!!" throw this statement at the top of the list... done, well as best as can be managed
This + a lag time entry and min posts (easy enough to code so mike dosn't have to worry about it) by the end of 3months and 20 posts hopefully people have at least got there tow hooks sorted, if you want to reinforce it put it at the top of a newbies list with an automatic link to newbie "Facts and FAQ" from sign up (I know its more work mike but its another easy one )

Steve and DB have it right, its just a list of people who are willing to help out friends or like minded but less skilled people... and everyone makes mistakes hell thats part of what makes 4WD'ing fun

As I said earlyer (probly not very well ) I as a volinteer have the right to refuse or condition my help... if I feel there hooks unsafe and I decide to help I'll tell them that and give them the options, it is my choice not there's

As for just ORE trips, thats not needed the people organising have the skills to sort a problem and if not there are enough heads and gear on a trip to sort it
besides the trips I've been on have been set at a level of the weakest truck... its common sence, the people on the trips have all been friendly and supportive of the beginners and there was a informal scrutineering

The type of call outs I expect are river runs that went bad ( not refering to the Cant-crowd) and easy forest tracks, these are the few public areas that are seen as easy play areas where newbies can wet there feet so to speak
If it is serious going and its one of this crowd then I'd expect it to be posted as a trip ( I'd want a chance to play ) That means we arn't going to be doing serious selvage work it'll be a snatch or two, a winch or a bit of digging

Lets not bog this down with too many conditions and obligations that can't be controlled

Cheers Reece

[Leithfield]

And now for something completely different :

Time for a wee injection of humour (synonymous Monty Python quotes)

I've just read the 4-odd pages of stuff that has appeared on here in the last day and I'm amazed. You've all lost the plot.

"STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW! STOP IT! All right, no one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle. Even... and I want to make this absolutely clear... even if they do say, "Jehovah."

We are not taking on a club … We were talking about a simple list of people you could call for help.

"Here! I've got an idea: Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb - which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans' - but that he can have the *right* to have babies."

YOU HAVE ALL LOST THE PLOT - GO BACK TO BASICS

"Silence! What is all this insolence? You will find yourself in gladiator school vewy quickly with wotten behaviour like that."

Ok, my point (in case you missed it) is that this idea was good, but is probably going to be too hard to manage, too easy to abuse and will quite probably end up getting someone in trouble or hurt (or both) … Drop the list idea.

"Well, I think I should point out first, Brian, in all fairness, we are not, in fact, the rescue committee. However, I have been asked to read the following prepared statement on behalf of the movement. "We the People's Front of Judea, brackets, officials, end brackets, do hereby convey our sincere fraternal and sisterly greetings to you, Brian, on this, the occasion of your martyrdom."


Monty Python's - The Life of Brian (1979).

[Goose]

Yeah, thats all well and good Leithy, but he hasn't got a womb!! Where's the foetus gonna gestate?! In a cardboard box??!!

My 2 cents, as before, is to have certain "trusted" (read: long time ORE's) have the "list", the "stuckee" contacts one of them, who then using said list, co-ordinates an appropriate response.

I believe this would negate all possibility of abuse of personal information.

All that would be required is "trustee's" from each region, not hard to do looking at some of the joined dates of some of you!! (read: you old bastards!!)

Not that I'm saying you guys are old.... well.....I s'pose am actually...
:headshot:

(think I just shot meself.... Goose rings for a tow..." Hi, it's goose, I'm stuck!" "Oh, I'm sorry, us OLD BASTARDS cant hear too well.." "click")

Hey Leithy, Leithy.... "Biccus Diccus!!!"

[needswork]

Geez I was out last night just caught up on the goss what a great thread this one is going to be.
Lots of banter and so forth.
It is good as it will get a good result for everyone in the end. But hey some of you guys need to loosen up a little don't get too up tight, afterall it is all supposed to be fun, 4WDing that is.
Hey I put my 'Club' bit in because that is how I read it going down the path of probation perioods, checking tow hooks etc etc etc well then you may as well go join a club, and from the sounds of it that hit the spot!
The most commonsense bit was some who said-
"Prevent having to be rescued from the outside in the first place."
That one gets the pick of the thread in my view!

[Leithfield]

Hey I put my 'Club' bit in because that is how I read it going down the path of probation perioods, checking tow hooks etc etc etc well then you may as well go join a club ...

"All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"

Monty Python's - The Life of Brian (1979).

[needswork]

Good response Leithfield
Plus in response to your earlier question, I have no agenda at all, just a long time 4WDer and watcher of this and other forums. I decided to join in this forum as it contained quite a lot of local Canterbury people and I heard through the grape vine that trips were being run so on day I hope to join in and see what you guys get up to,
The thread about rescues got me curious ( I do a lot of H&S work at my job so that is why I took an interest ) as it was leading down the path of setting up a club so hence why I threw it in, A lot of you focused in on the Club word, but missed my other points, well that is fine as I have no axe to tgrind, just makin comments on the thread like everyone else.

[Leithfield]

I have no agenda at all ... no axe to tgrind, just makin comments on the thread like everyone else.

And very welcome to do so.

We might contemplate the meaning of life and take the proverbial in here, but there is a wealth of experience shared amongst members, and our excursions are one hell of a lot of fun; do join us on a run sometime.

[Goose]

Yeah, join in on a trip, I just did my first with the guys, and there is a lot of experience, and a good bunch of guys too

Even though I was in a "shiney", there was no pressure to do anything silly in it, (it's the wifes!!), just some good natured ribbing!!

"Crucifiction? Second door on the left, one cross only please!"

[wjw]

Read a little bit of thise mammoth thread and have the following opinion:

I will put my name down on the list (once I have the Prado running, don't think the lude would pull anyone out). Common sense prevails, in the past when someones called me, I've asked questions over the phone to asses what we need and when we've needed trucks more capable than the one I'm in, have arranged it.

In the end its all about helping each other... the key is that anyone that puts their name down, needs to be capable of being called, going to place of said 'stuck' truck and if necessary not doing anything as they don't have the experience or gear required to get 'stuck' truck out. But knowing the next person to call....?? ie like a Waimak rescue a while back... Matt4U and I got called... Matt called Craig, After some deliberation I called IcedJon who happens to have dual diff locks, which I thought we might need... and we did. That was a good effort by all and how I hope this list thing works.

So to sum up:

1. The aim of this list is to help each other
2. Common sense must not be removed from the equation, ie dont go out on your own.
3. Call someone who you think will actually be able to get you out.
3. If you get there and can't help, phone afriend of walk away.

[DieselBoy]

*****edited pointless post*****

[wjw]

Also re recovery points. My opinion, you should have hooks if you want to play. But I have helped rescue people who haven't. Using shackles through tow bars, strops round axles etc... again common sense should prevail.

[H2OLOVA]

an earbashing on the spot, public ridicule on ORE and possibly in the recovery vehicle going home!!"

So we need to have a camera as part of our rescue kit

[mercutio]

So we need to have a camera as part of our rescue kit

of course it is the most important tool

[mike]

the recovery db just went live.

thread here -> http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=25722#25722

Mike

[nuts]

im in i get used for a towtruck more often than not so hell yeah if i can help i will

[Insky]

hey mike may i sugest that on the recovery sqaud details that u
{add the persons membership name (nickname) }?
just so u can u know kinda link them together give u abeter idea of hu u talking 2 ?

so just like below there name allow a space for them to add (ore) name

[mike]

hey mike may i sugest that on the recovery sqaud details that u
{add the persons membership name (nickname) }?
just so u can u know kinda link them together give u abeter idea of hu u talking 2 ?

so just like below there name allow a space for them to add (ore) name

Good idea, It will be system generated so no need for people to update anything.

will add that now.

mike

[Insky]

gud stuff

[mike]

done

[Mud Hog]

If you been following the last thread you have probably been in a similar situation before. Has got me thinking about forming local recovery groups to help each other out in times of dire need. When the shit really hits the fan and you need outside help. We could have the groups listed on the forum with contact numbers people can store on there phones/keep in truck. I'm willing to co-ordinate the chch group.
Al

I think this a great idea I like to go prepared but as you said sometimes the shit hits the fan and when it goes wrong it all goes wrong, Spent 4hrs getting two Safaris out at mid night. Would be good to have some back up assistance for a very last resourse. I would be more than happy to get out of bed at 2am and go play in the mud to help some one else. I am in ChCh but heading to the west coast more and more, Was in at the auto shop in Westport was chatting with the owner a keen 4wder he said he would come help us if we were stuck, anytime any where. He did'nt know me from a bar of soap. I think alot of 4wders have the same keen attitude, Sign me up for a recovery group!!!!

[Mud Hog]

the recovery db just went live.

thread here -> http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=25722#25722

Mike

Just tried to sign up using your link above it could'nt find page is it up and running?

[mercutio]

good point that would have been setup on the old website looks like mike may not have upgraded it with the rest of the site

[Steve_t647]

This weekend I was passenger in a 4wd, we came across a 4wd that had no rated hooks or even a towball, we gave them a shovel and told them to dig out the centre they were bellied on and we gave them a push, Sure we could have dug under the 4wd and put the tree protector around the diff and winched them out but we decided as they had nothing make them dig themselves out.

It only took 3/4 of an hour (we waited to make sure they get out and to get our shovel back) another 4wd came along about 15 minutes before they were out and we explained the situation, he said he is a lawyer and be carefull of OSH it is the people assisting that take full responsability from the time they offer assistance (in OSH's eyes).

DOC staff have been prossecuted for damage caused to the other vehicle (by the insurance company as they are not tow truck licenced) and OSH and ACC prossecuted the individuals for two injuries that occured while they have recovered 4wd's (one person just fell over and broke his wrist, (the DOC staff told him to stand over there and as ACC payed out the 80% wages the sought recovery of that claim from the person doing the recovery OSH was involved as one guy said it would cost them $50 to recover the 4wd).

Three things he says you have to tell the people you are recovering before you do anything:

Any damage during the recovery is their responsability (Covers both vehicles, the gear, you, them and the track)

You are going to get the 4wd out if you can (that way if you fail the insurance company can not chase you for damage from that point on).

You cannot be paid to recover a vehicle but cash towards the fuel and equiptment you used is acceptable or even some beers at the pub as a shout (you need a tow truck licence to charge to recover a vehicle).

[Bubba]

ACC prossecuted the individuals for two injuries that occured while they have recovered 4wd's (one person just fell over and broke his wrist, (.....and as ACC payed out the 80% wages the(y) sought recovery of that claim from the person doing the recovery........).

Steve I can't speak with absolute authority about the rest of what you said but the part above is HORSE SHIT

I can also say that the Bullshit meter just went off the scale when I read the rest of it as well. If anyone knows Bull Shit, Horse Shit, Cow Shit, lies, damned lies and statistics, not to mention absulute crap, it's me

I understand that you are just passing on what you heard but it's bollocks

[curly12]

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Steve I can't speak with absolute authority about the rest of what you said but the part above is HORSE SHIT

Never thought I would ever say this Steve...................... but Bubba knows what he is talking about in reguards to this matter , help me mum, I feel so dirty............

[PR]

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Steve I can't speak with absolute authority about the rest of what you said but the part above is HORSE SHIT

Never thought I would ever say this Steve...................... but Bubba knows what he is talking about in reguards to this matter , help me mum, I feel so dirty............

Bubba knows about HORSE SHIT

[Steve_t647]

Ahh well good thing we had the shovel out anyway Well we can ignore what that clown said