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Hi all,

It seems like the Tararua District Council is planning something that may hve quite an adverse impact on our future enjoyment of the area. Tucked away in the Manawatu Standard this afternoon (and oddly not viewable online :roll: ) was this article.

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Question is, has anyone heard anything else about this plan, and what can be done to find out more about it and possibly stopping it if not at least slowing the process to give 4wd'ers a fair chance to assess impacts.

This latter point I think needs careful assessment in that how many already use paper roads? How many know where the paper roads are in the district? I know of a couple I hadpenciled in to explore further over this summer... :wink:

Anyone got any ideas on how to stop/slow this or to even find out more about the plans? What are our rights? I live in the Manawatu district but I am very very close to the Tararua District and use a few areas over there to fish in etc.
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Seems the same story written slightly differntly is in the Dominion Post. Again, not availble online for viewing so scanned and posted below. Sorry the image is blurry, battled with @$#*!! photobucket for 20 minutes to get it loaded :evil:

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From this article it appears the council want to work with interested stakeholders to assess the roads for value of retention for cycleways and walking tracks. Nothing is mentioned about any other usuage.

Just visited the Tararua District Council website and there is no further information available there.
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interesting?, maybe put a post up on the Paper Road Society www.prs.org.nz , have emailed Andy C , he might know what is going on... is it worth contacting the council direct for comment? it may just be another BS newspaper article (they tend to make these up or only have these half right these days :roll: )
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Jerry wrote:interesting?, maybe put a post up on the Paper Road Society http://www.prs.org.nz , have emailed Andy C , he might know what is going on... is it worth contacting the council direct for comment? it may just be another BS newspaper article (they tend to make these up or only have these half right these days :roll: )


G'day Jerry,

Yep, am hoping it is a media BS but I think it may be real. I'll try to find out a bit more next week if I can. Thanks for the link to the paper road society. Will see if I can post something there or get info on possible next steps.

All I can really do at this stage is seek clarification of intentions, and also look into steps we can undertake to have a voice in any process involved. I am not a member of any 4wd organisation nor do I actually live in the Tararua District so this may be a problem being heard.

Cheers

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Windsock wrote:
Jerry wrote:interesting?, maybe put a post up on the Paper Road Society http://www.prs.org.nz , have emailed Andy C , he might know what is going on... is it worth contacting the council direct for comment? it may just be another BS newspaper article (they tend to make these up or only have these half right these days :roll: )


G'day Jerry,

Yep, am hoping it is a media BS but I think it may be real. I'll try to find out a bit more next week if I can. Thanks for the link to the paper road society. Will see if I can post something there or get info on possible next steps.

All I can really do at this stage is seek clarification of intentions, and also look into steps we can undertake to have a voice in any process involved. I am not a member of any 4wd organisation nor do I actually live in the Tararua District so this may be a problem being heard.

Cheers

Phil





Hi, Phil,
Do you have a 4wd and use it? If so, or even if not!! Consider joining kiwi4x4 Inc. and thereby adding your voice, by virtue of one more member to the fight to resin our access rights.

Sure, Tararua SAY they are looking at roads that don't go to the bush, rivers, lakes etc. BUT local gummints and central gummints have a reputation of bending or even ignoring the truth.
Also hiding their intentions under clouds of bullshit and lies.

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Hi Bob,

Yep, thought about joining some of the local clubs around here, Central Districts 4x4, Fielding 4x4 etc, just haven't gotten round to it yet.

At this stage of this topic, I am more interested in what the possible next steps would be. I'd like ideas on what to do to intiate an involvement in the decision-making. I'd like ideas on who to approach for assistance and advice should this be required along the way. Never been involved in anything even mildly democratic [other than voting] but it pissed me off the sentence about "... a preemptive strike...". This just plain old pissed me off... :evil: :evil: :evil:

If they are going to call for submissions, then I see plenty of scope for groups and individuals to provide written submissions if applicable (or even possible) and maybe even be present should the topic move enough people.

On monday if I've the time, I will try to find out how far down the track they are with this idea and whether it is all just too late to do anything or whether we've time to rally some input. I am being made redundant at the end of the month and between now and then, I am going to be very busy but I will try to find out what is going on...
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Windsock wrote:"... a preemptive strike...".


Gummit speak for get in before they change the law and we cant sell it and make money.
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Windsock wrote:Hi Bob,

Yep, thought about joining some of the local clubs around here, Central Districts 4x4, Fielding 4x4 etc, just haven't gotten round to it yet.

At this stage of this topic, I am more interested in what the possible next steps would be. I'd like ideas on what to do to intiate an involvement in the decision-making. I'd like ideas on who to approach for assistance and advice should this be required along the way. Never been involved in anything even mildly democratic [other than voting] but it pissed me off the sentence about "... a preemptive strike...". This just plain old pissed me off... :evil: :evil: :evil:

If they are going to call for submissions, then I see plenty of scope for groups and individuals to provide written submissions if applicable (or even possible) and maybe even be present should the topic move enough people.

On monday if I've the time, I will try to find out how far down the track they are with this idea and whether it is all just too late to do anything or whether we've time to rally some input. I am being made redundant at the end of the month and between now and then, I am going to be very busy but I will try to find out what is going on...


We, genie3x4 and I (nick has had to drop out thru work overload, dammit) are making representations/submissions to the Wanga/naki CMS

Some of the other clubs are also involved and of course, max Wheatley, the NZ4WDA PRO..

We are working on the premise that any concessionsare good ones, and steps in the right direction.
We also point out that they are managing OUR land, they DONT own it etc etc.
We have certain issues in our area and that affect one particular play area. Also our South beach which needs more talking about.

MY point to you, is we, (ALL 4wd nuts) need as many voices as possible. If this is your chosen way of playing, its like hunting, we have to get together and fight for the continuation of our rights. Don't forget our responsibilities!

THATS why I suggest you join a club, pay your fees (some of which goes to NZ4WDA) and you become one more number to show the gummint . statistics DO matter.
of course, i want you to join OUR club as well as any others that take your fancy
As regards advice, there's plenty available here, browse the foums in the tech side and you will see what i mean.

Regards etc...

Bob
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I recieved the following from Max Wheatley.
He asked me to post here for the members to read and think on.

Good afternoon

The story the Dominion ran last week was something from several months ago it dredged up to fill an obvious “quiet news day space”.

A discussion paper was considered by the Council several months ago. The point of the paper was that there are many unformed roads in the district which adjoining neighbours are occupying without paying rent or rates and that there may be opportunities for the Council to realise some of these assets to develop some of the other unformed roads into recreational opportunities. At this point in time nothing further is being done about this proposal.

We don’t have an overall plan of the unformed roads. We have an electronic database from which plans of local areas can be produced. If you are interested about a particular area I can provide you with a map for that area.


Mike Brown
Manager Environmental Services
TARARUA DISTRICT COUNCIL




From: Info
Sent: Monday, 22 September 2008 2:17 p.m.
To: Mike Brown
Subject: FW: Paper Roads

Regards,
Shaya Matthews



From: Max Wheatley [mailto:Max.Wheatley@telecom.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, 22 September 2008 12:13 p.m.
To: Info
Cc: secretary@nzfwda.org.nz
Subject: Paper Roads

Hi Guys
I am the National Public Relations Office for the New Zealand Four Wheel Drive Association.
One of my roles/functions is land access, CMS, road closures and related matters.
So it was with some interest to read the article in the Dominion Post on closing paper roads and selling them to farmers.
As a policy we are opposed to the loss of paper roads and will be making submission and comment on any proposed road closure.

To this end would you please supply me with maps detailing all the “paper” roads in the Taraua District Council area which may or may not be put up for stoppage and / or sale at some point in the future

Feel free to reply to any of the below contact info.

Thanks
Max Wheatley
National Public Relations Officer NZFWDA

pro@nzfwda.org.nz
home – 06 3268551
work – 06 3507035




SO dont be shy, this is to help protect what we see as our play places.
If you have ANY info, get in touch with Max, we will all benefit if we help each other protect our sport.
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Moriarty wrote: SO dont be shy, this is to help protect what we see as our play places.
If you have ANY info, get in touch with Max, we will all benefit if we help each other protect our sport.


Hiya Bob,

For me (can't/won't speak for others), it's not really a case of being shy but rather a case of flat out getting the office I work out of closed up before I take redundancy. Long story and not one for these pages but I will have lots of time this time next week to consider what I get involved in in my (new-found) spare time. Right now just surviving one confused day at a time :?

I'll make contact with Max some stage soon to touch base as it were and to share info.

Seems a silly way to fill space on a quiet news day when an advertisement would have earned the paper money instead. I trust the press to get it right no more than local government...
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Windsock wrote: :?

I'll make contact with Max some stage soon to touch base as it were and to share info.

Seems a silly way to fill space on a quiet news day when an advertisement would have earned the paper money instead. I trust the press to get it right no more than local government...


Yes, Please do contact Max, with all this new leisure time coming your way....... (been down THAT road) .... who knows WHAT miracles you may perform??


as regards the press, I am very much the cynic as far as they are concerned.

never forget that their prime directive is to sell newspapers and make money.

Somebody once said "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story"

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Phil PM me and ill try and give you some pointers
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As the CZ rep for the Kiwi 4x4 Club, alot of people have asked me how paper roads are closed. The Tenth Schedule under the Local Government Act 1974 covers most of it. I am helping Phil with this one and the current CMS's if people have any questions

Here it is

TENTH SCHEDULE
Sections 319 (h), 342

CONDITIONS AS TO STOPPING OF ROADS AND THE TEMPORARY PROHIBITION OF
TRAFFIC ON ROADS

Stopping of Roads

1. The council shall prepare a plan of the road proposed to be
stopped, together with an explanation as to the purpose or purposes to
which the stopped road will be put, and a survey made and a plan
prepared of any new road proposed to be made in lieu thereof, showing
the lands through which it is proposed to pass, and the owners and
occupiers of those lands so far as known, and shall lodge the plan in
the office of the Chief Surveyor of the land district in which the road
is situated.

2. On receipt of the Chief Surveyor's notice of approval and plan
number the council shall open the plan for public inspection at the
office of the council, and the council shall at least twice, at
intervals of not less than 7 days, give public notice of the proposals
and of the place where the plan may be inspected, and shall in the
notice call upon persons objecting to the proposals to lodge their
objections in writing at the office of the council on or before a date
to be specified in the notice, being not earlier than 40 days after the
date of the first publication thereof. The council shall also forthwith
after that first publication serve a notice in the same form on the
occupiers of all land adjoining the road proposed to be stopped or any
new road proposed to be made in lieu thereof, and, in the case of any
such land of which the occupier is not also the owner, on the owner of
the land also, so far as they can be ascertained.

3. A notice of the proposed stoppage shall during the period between
the first publication of the notice and the expiration of the last day
for lodging objections as aforesaid be kept fixed in a conspicuous place
at each end of the road proposed to be stopped:

Provided that the council shall not be deemed to have failed to comply
with the provisions of this clause in any case where any such notice is
removed without the authority of the council, but in any such case the
council shall, as soon as conveniently may be after being informed of
the unauthorised removal of the notice, cause a new notice complying
with the provisions of this clause to be affixed in place of the notice
so removed and to be kept so affixed for the period aforesaid.

4. If no objections are received within the time limited as aforesaid,
the council may by public notice declare that the road is stopped; and
the road shall, subject to the council's compliance with clause 9 of
this Schedule, thereafter cease to be a road.

5. If objections are received as aforesaid, the council shall, after
the expiration of the period within which an objection must be lodged,
unless it decides to allow the objections, send the objections together
with the plans aforesaid, and a full description of the proposed
alterations to the Planning Tribunal.

6. The Planning Tribunal shall consider the plan, the council's
explanation under clause 1 of this Schedule, and any objection made
thereto by any person likely to suffer injury thereby, and confirm or
reverse the decision of the council which shall be final and conclusive
on all questions:

Provided that the Planning Tribunal shall not confirm the decision of
the council unless satisfied that adequate access to the lands in the
vicinity of the road is left or provided.

7. If the Planning Tribunal reverses the decision of the council, no
proceedings shall be entertained by the Planning Tribunal for stopping
the road for 2 years thereafter.

8. If the Planning Tribunal confirms the decision of the council, the
council may declare by public notice that the road is stopped; and the
road shall, subject to the council's compliance with clause 9 of this
Schedule, thereafter cease to be a road.

9. Two copies of that notice and of the plans hereinbefore referred to
shall be transmitted by the council for record in the office of the
Chief Surveyor of the land district in which the road is situated, and
no notice of the stoppage of the road shall take effect until that
record is made.

10. The Chief Surveyor shall allocate a new description of the land
comprising the stopped road, and shall forward to the District Land
Registrar or the Registrar of Deeds, as the case may require, a copy of
that description and a copy of the notice and the plans transmitted to
him by the council, and the Registrar shall amend his records
accordingly.

[[11. The council may, subject to such conditions as it thinks fit
(including the imposition of a reasonable bond), and after consultation
with the Police and the Ministry of Transport, close any road or part of
a road to all traffic or any specified type of traffic (including
pedestrian traffic)---
(a) While the road, or any drain, water race, pipe, or apparatus
under, upon, or over the road is being constructed or repaired;
or
(b) Where, in order to resolve problems associated with traffic
operations on a road network, experimental diversions of traffic
are required; or
(c) During a period when public disorder exists or is anticipated; or
(d) When for any reason it is considered desirable that traffic should
be temporarily diverted to other roads; or
(e) For a period or periods not exceeding in the aggregate 31 days in
any year for any exhibition, fair, show, market, concert,
film-making, race or other sporting event, or public function:

Provided that no road may be closed for any purpose specified in
paragraph (e) of this clause if that closure would, in the opinion of
the council, be likely to impede traffic unreasonably.

[[11A. The council shall give public notice of its intention to
consider closing any road or part of a road under clause 11 (e) of this
Schedule; and shall give public notice of any decision to close any road
or part of a road under that provision.

[[11B. Where any road or part of a road is closed under clause 11 (e)
of this Schedule, the council or, with the consent of the council, the
promoter of any activity for the purpose of which the road has been
closed may impose charges for the entry of persons and vehicles to the
area of closed road, any structure erected on the road, or any structure
or area under the control of the council or the promoter on adjoining
land.

[[11C. Where any road or part of a road is closed under clause 11 (e)
of this Schedule, the road or part of a road shall be deemed for the
purposes of---
(a) The Transport Act 1962 and any bylaws made under section 72 of
that Act:
(b) The Traffic Regulations 1976:
(c) The Transport (Drivers Licensing) Regulations 1985:
(d) The Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act
1986:
(e) The Transport (Vehicle Registration and Licensing) Notice 1986:
(f) Any enactment made in substitution for any enactment referred to
in paragraphs (a) to (e) of this clause---

not to be a road; but nothing in this clause shall affect the status of
the road or part of a road as a public place for the purposes of this or
any other enactment.]]

12. The powers conferred on the council by clause 11 (except paragraph
(e)) may be exercised by the Chairman on behalf of the council or by any
officer of the council authorised by the council in that behalf.

13. Where it appears to the council that owing to climatic conditions
the use of any road in a rural area, other than a State highway or
Government road, not being a road generally used by motor vehicles for
business or commercial purposes or for the purpose of any public work,
may cause damage to the road, the council may by resolution prohibit,
either conditionally or absolutely, the use of that road by motor
vehicles or by any specified class of motor vehicle for such period as
the council considers necessary.

14. Where a road is closed under clause 13 of this Schedule, an
appropriate notice shall be posted at every entry to the road affected,
and shall also be published in a newspaper circulating in the district.

15. A copy of every resolution made under clause 13 of this Schedule
shall, within 1 week after the making thereof, be sent to the Minister
of Transport, who may at any time, by notice to the council, disallow
the resolution, in whole or in part, and thereupon the resolution, to
the extent that it has been disallowed, shall be deemed to have been
revoked.

16. No person shall---
(a) Use a vehicle, or permit a vehicle to be used, on any road which
is for the time being closed for such vehicles pursuant to
clause 11 of this Schedule; or
[[(aa) Without the consent of the council or the promoter of any
activity permitted by the council, enter or attempt to enter, or
be present, on any road or part of a road that is for the time
being closed to pedestrian traffic pursuant to clause 11 of this
Schedule; or]]
(b) Use a motor vehicle, or permit a motor vehicle to be used, on any
road where its use has for the time being been prohibited by a
resolution under clause 13 of this Schedule.
Clauses 11, and 11A to 11C, were substituted for the former clause
11 (as enacted by s. 3 (1) of the Local Government Amendment Act
1978) by s. 14 (1) of the Local Government Amendment Act (No. 3)
1986.
In clause 16, para. (aa) was inserted by s. 14 (2) of the Local
Government Amendment Act (No. 3) 1986.
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Its being dealt with behind the scenes by key people, I would suggest that everyone keep an eye on it and not stir things up publicly too much AT THIS STAGE. now may be the time to talk to your local MP hopefuls if you get a chance, will advise more soon and advise any suggested actions that may need to be taken.
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