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Disc Brakes on a series landy

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Heya Guy's,

now i know theres been a few diff methods to how ppl have applied disc brakes to a series landy,i've seen about 5 diff ways myself n i came across this site that has a kit made up, i only just came across it but thought i'd post it here n if anyones interested. i've got another write up saved to the pc somewhere :lol: i also have a write up for puttin a disk brake hand-brake, im gona see if the engineering shop in town by me will have a go at makin the mount thats been used,

http://www.yican.com.au/DBrakes/DBrakes.html - link

well back to surfing :lol:
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That looks bloody good.
My questions are if the calipers and rotors are custom items or not?
Basically how hard will it be to source replacement rotors, pads and pistons.
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yea that's wat i was thinking about too.

the other write up i have saved is of a similar set up, the plate is aslo just about the same design as the one used on that kit, but the calipers used on the write up i have were from off a later model discovery, alot of calipers for those models can be sourced easily enuff.

also if anyone ( nz based ) had access to a cnc machine or a milling machine could make up a adapter plate similar to what's being used in that kit, that way itit would save alot in freight n u wouldnt have to actually buy that kit u could get the plate made n then source the other parts yourself.

I'll try n find the other write up i have saved coz that actually gives a more detailed view of the plate that was used
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pm jafa with you details he has a cnc mill
you coudl make it on a centerlathe and a dividing head probaly take 2 houra a side to make
were as on a cnc i woudl expect a 20 min maching time + progamming for the first set and a tooling/setup per run cost
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Loonez wrote:yea that's wat i was thinking about too.

the other write up i have saved is of a similar set up, the plate is aslo just about the same design as the one used on that kit, but the calipers used on the write up i have were from off a later model discovery, alot of calipers for those models can be sourced easily enuff.

also if anyone ( nz based ) had access to a cnc machine or a milling machine could make up a adapter plate similar to what's being used in that kit, that way itit would save alot in freight n u wouldnt have to actually buy that kit u could get the plate made n then source the other parts yourself.

I'll try n find the other write up i have saved coz that actually gives a more detailed view of the plate that was used


I've got disco and rangie calipers here. I should measure and draw them up in solidworks one of these days.
There are also a range of defender calipers which are interchangable with the rangie and disco ones but have 25% bigger pistons. I put a set in my rangie about three years back.
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Now Just one thing to remember this was all done & the guy fitted 15inch rims!!!!

Just so everyone reading knows, this following write up is not from the link i posted in the first post, i cant remember where i found this following write up


So here is a little contribution to all series owners who wish to build a disk conversion and enjoy the challenge of a DIY project. Sorry for this bit I have to state it so no one get all worked up if something goes wrong - disclaimer: use this information at your own risk, modifying automobile brake systems can lead to dangerous situations, always have a trained mechanic or engineer check your work, I take no responsibility for the results, you've been warned, you're on your own..

With that behind us now we can get to the nitty gritty of this topic.

Let me start off by weighing some of the options out there for achieving disk brakes on a series, let’s start with the easy bit

A)Kits - horribly over priced, but will fit with relative ease, all the engineering has been done for you, can be done by anyone who can handle a spanner.

B)Disk brake axles (coil sprung vehicles) - Can be done but with some head scratching along the way, I know as I did one for someone else. The down fall in this is the ratios are different in the diffs (diff change), plus getting them to work with leafs will create a steering issue of which I will not further into, there is a lot of cutting and grinding involved and they are heavy to handle, but it can be done. Welding and fitting skills required, not for unskilled!

C) As above but go all the way and coil the vehicle, which might put you where point a is, considering the cost involved and the work required, this option might be out of the question all together, plus welding and fitting skills are a must, not for unskilled!

D)Mating coiler swivels, hubs and disks to a series axle – Can be done but you might end up with having custom shafts made, unless you put you hands on a stage 1 v8 axle. That will sort your shaft issues but will end up in the same area as point b, steering troubles. I could have achieved this as I run a stage 1 v8 front axle, but the steering bit was an area I did not feel I should venture to achieve disks.

E) Make your own kit as cheap as possible

All of the above just did not suit my pocket, I do have the skills know how for the other 3 options but I thought it was too much work just to achieve disk brakes. Bring on the challenge, option e! I had researched the net and found out that others have achieved this in one way or another, by using other disks and calipers (as do most of the kits). The real challenge was doing it with Landover parts! Why? Because a) I managed to get a free set of 90 calipers and parts are readily available. I know this made my life a bit more difficult, but the final result is very pleasing.

So onto the build, let me start by mentioning that I have a late stage 1 v8 axle, which for people seeing the pics and seeing some different bits might query. The axle is relatively the same as late series axles, apart the fact it runs CV’s. The same processes may be applied to early axles so do not despair!!

The initial spark for this project came in the form of a pair of free rusty calipers from a 98 300tdi defender90, which I upgraded to vented discs for a friend. These where in bad shape and need a complete rebuild, here are the results of a couple of weeks work with all the bits ready for reassembly.

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The first stages where trying out other rover hubs and disks, all coiler hubs will fit my axle (this not the case with early axles), but they all had the disk in the wrong position, plus drive flanges did not match, etc, etc. So next up was to find a different disk from a diner other than a rover, many have been considered but none suited my needs, of buy and fit, they all required some machining here and there. So I found out after endless hours of measuring, I concluded that by using series hubs machined down I would gain valuable space to make a rover disc work.

Next came the choice of the rover disc, this was mainly determined by the caliper, using normal front discs did not work, they fit, but no space was left to make a descent bracket for the caliper. Rear discs where also tried, these gave some space but lacked the diameter. After another session of trawling the net for suitable discs I found a rover disc which fit my criteria nicely. The answer came from the late defenders new rear axle (non Salisbury type).

Now as I removed the drum I was left with a space to fill just to ensure I regain the few mm of track lost, so I got an old set of drums and turned them down to make a set of spacers.

Machined hub and spacer

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This disc left enough space for the caliper to squeeze in without interfering with the mounting face of the wheel rim. Having mentioned the wheel rims, I need to advise you that I run 15” white wheelers or early disco steel wheels, I have not yet tried standard series wheels and these might not work!! So having the right parts in hand I set out to create a mockup of the whole thing, not just thoughts in my brain, just to see if it might work. So first off I had a complete swivel housing mounted on the swivel that could be sacrificed for the cause.

I mounted up the disc to the newly machined hub and then mounted that to the stub axle and mock up assembly.

Hub and disc assembled

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After seeing that I could squeeze in a sort of bracket I went on to fabricate one out of plywood and mdf, which resulted in to a sort of bracket I could get my bearings off. I tried to clock the caliper round the swivel housing to mount it like a defender but there was no way I could grind down and squeeze the caliper in, plus leaving space to access the mounting bolts. So the caliper ended up in the 12’o clock position. This left enough space for everything to fit!

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Then I mounted it all together to see where I was. I did over react with the grinder on the mock up swivel as seen in the pics but in the final assembly not much grinding is required. The swivels need to be ground down to clear access to the bolts, there is no other way I could think of.

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Right, with that done it all seemed to work so it was off to the engineer to have the bracket made out of metal. A couple months later the brackets turned up, not exactly as I wanted them but I lumped it and took them back home. So I first offered them up to the mock up and it all fitted well. Next stage was to get onto my landy, it all started coming together at this point.

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From this point on things got a bit out of hand and I sadly discovered that the bracket for the other side was done completely wrong, clocked badly, etc, etc. Being angry was putting it mildly, so off I went to the engineers to have another one made. While I was there I thought that now was the time to remedy the mistakes done on the brackets. So I ordered another 2, with an improved design. After a further 2 weeks of discussions and ideas the below brackets where produced! Much joy and happiness settled in my garage as they looked the part and they fitted better than the ones before.

The 2nd set ready and trial fitted............Some pics of the progress, and new vs. old brackets.

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It's all very tight.......

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After I trial fitted these they came off once again for the final step, I made a slight indent in the face of the bracket which meets the stub so any oil leaks from the hub will go down that way. The stub axle also has the same as late series 3's had this to protect the drums from oil contamination. The same now applies for the discs, any oil leaks from the hubs will dribble behind the bracket leaving my pads and disks oil free! (I hope) I also made an oil retainer ring just as a precaution, this fits snugly with the hub making any oil go down the hole and keeping nasty things out of the oil seal

I also made the bolt holes for the caliper to contact the shank of the bolt so any stresses will be passed to the bolt shank and not the treads. I also made the brake pipe adaptors, bent to shape and ready for installation.

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The whole thing together

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Recess for bolt shank

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Brake pipe

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Now finally for the final assembly I gave the bracket a lick of flat black. The next pic is to show that also the caliper will need a slight grind.

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The grinded swivel to clear the bolts

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So with one side done I very pleased as it all came together nicely. Space between rim and caliper is tight but it all fits with 15" rims.

assembled

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and a rear view showing rim

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Now for the real world, do they work? Did they stop the landy?? how much did it all cost! And as many of you wish to know what are the part numbers for all the bits. Well I can only list what I have paid for, I am still waiting for the bill on the brackets.

It stops brilliantly and they were worth the effort of a whole year, on and off trying to get them done.

Most bits came for free as I had a lots of dead landy bits in the garage, like the hubs, mockup swivels and stub axles, the calipers came free, all I did was rebuild them and get new pads. They came off a 98 300tdi 90. Just rebuilding them cost me 35€ per caliper, then a set of pads was 30€, the retaining pin kit was about 7€. Next up the discs, they are from a Landover 110 2001> (non Salisbury axle) Part number is SDB000330, these cost me 70€ for the pair. The rest like bolts and pipes, grease and new oil seals came to around another 20€, so summing it all up it worked out under the 200€ mark, excluding the brackets. Even if these will cost me 100€ each ( which they will not), I still believe that this makes the whole exercise the most viable option.
Many of you out there will ask me for the dimensions and drawings, I am working on it, please be patient, here is a preview of where I got till now. If anybody follows what I did you can easily get there.

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To conclude, if one wishes to use other disks and calipers he may freely do so, I could have made my life easier if I did that myself, especially with the calipers. In fact if I could find discs with 2-3mm larger in diameter but having the same hat dimensions I would be happier. But till now I am pretty happy to have got this far. I hope this little article has helped many people understand that it’s possible to have discs on a series using rover parts. If anybody requires any further info just let me know.
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vvega wrote:pm jafa with you details he has a cnc mill
you coudl make it on a centerlathe and a dividing head probaly take 2 houra a side to make
were as on a cnc i woudl expect a 20 min maching time + progamming for the first set and a tooling/setup per run cost


This is the Draw up the guy had for the Final version of the plate

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I know this is for the front axle, havent gone out n looked at the arse end n thort about if it'll fit or not :lol:

i'll be interested in getting a set done

Dave

P.S. I'm going to find the other write up i saved about the Disc-Handbrake setup i have n post that up

Might have to make this thread a sticky - thought's ???
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Here's a short view of the parts used:

Calipers: off a 98 300tdi 90

Disc's: Landover 110 2001> (non Salisbury axle) Part number is SDB000330

KiwiBacon wrote:I've got disco and rangie calipers here. I should measure and draw them up in solidworks one of these days.
There are also a range of defender calipers which are interchangable with the rangie and disco ones but have 25% bigger pistons. I put a set in my rangie about three years back.
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If ur going to use 16 inch rims n a adapter plate like the one above is used, & all the calipers are similar in shape to the ones off the 98 300tdi then u wont have to draw them up coz they'll bolt up, Given that the mounting bolts for the caliper's are in the same place as the one's used to do the plate. but then in sayin that depending on what calipers are used as a standard for this, then id say measure the distance of the mounting bolt holes of the caliper n that measurement can be used when the plate is made up.

Jafa & vvega .... u guys interested in doing one of these plates up ??
i'll pm jafa the link to here so he can have a look.

vvega wrote:you coudl make it on a centerlathe and a dividing head probaly take 2 houra a side to make
were as on a cnc i woudl expect a 20 min maching time + progamming for the first set and a tooling/setup per run cost


yea on a cnc would be better & alot easier

could we look at getting it done & then a price done up to include the labour, machine/tool setup & freight & make that as a base cost to get them done, so that way if anyone else wants a set done then they can get a hold of the person that does them to get a set done ?? I'll pay for the first set, & that will cover original machine setup n tinkering around, coz after the first sets done then u'll have the program for the plate n know which tool bits were used, then the all the sets that are made after the first will just have the tool setup for the job cost involved, correct ?

now with the measurements of the plate i havent been able to find out them, the guy hasnt got around to posting them up n i cant find the link to the original page, also i'd do up a mock version just to get the measurements for ya, heck i was going to do up the plate myself coz i can but ahlas i only have a socketset now n even thats a basic set, ( lost all my gear coz of my last ex, long story there:lol:) so yea i dont have the right tools on hand for me to do up a mock version to get the details, i might go thru the pic's in the write up n have a closer look, i might even blow up the original pic's to see if i can get them off there n then chuck it into cad & see what i get :lol:
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just had a thought.

Possible pack ?

4 Plates
2 Oil Retainer Rings
4 Spacers

now as to doin the plates for the rear, i'm thinking a plate could be made up but made similar to the original mock up ( plywood version ), also would have to see if the oil retaing rings would be needed for the back ( im thinking they wont be needed ).

The spacers could be done without if another suitable rotor could be placed that had a front flange that was 2-3mm thicker, mainly for keeping the track width the same, if the rotor that was used in the write up, is the one that is used then i would say the spacer on the front would be needed as there isnt much of a gap between the caliper n inside rim mating face, the back would need to be checked as to wiether or not a spacer is needed. reference can be made to pictures 20,21 & bolted on in no 26 (count from the first pic of the write up)

the hub's, now the drilling & tapping of these could be done at a local machine shop for next to nothing, unless the person needed the hub's done had access to a tap & die set then they could do that then selfs n save a few more bucks

right, now off to find the disc hand-brake write up i saved, im thinkin the bracket that was done for that could possible added to the pack seen as the one that was able to make the plates up would also be able to make up the bracket, im just thinking if someone was to go to the trouble of doing the plates n so forth then might aswell do the handbrake at the same time n have disc's alround, would be a nice pack to do up so that it could be sold in nz, nice way to promoting nz made.
i can see a few nz landy boy's wanting this setup if it can be pulled together right

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I've seen that conversion before, the one part I don't like is the amount of metal he's removed from the front hub. That's where the first conversion you posted in this thread with the tophat rotor over the hub is vastly superior.

I don't have a series vehicle to convert, but I've already got a large number of my drivetrain and axle parts drawn up and I'm happy to help where I can, here's progress so far.

http://users.actrix.co.nz/dougal.ellen/forums/20090221rangie.jpg

That adapter picture has been done in Google Sketchup. Even if you can get the file it's difficult to convert it to something that's usable for CNC. I'm still hunting for a suitable CAM program for my use at home.
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yea my thoughts are the same as to the amount of grinding that he did, he does also say that he did go abit over board on the grinding n that not as much was needed in the final setup but he doesnt post any pic's :lol:

a similar plate as to the one used in that set from that link could be made up to solve the grinding issue its just gettin a full up close detailed view.
another thing is they dont mention what the rotor or the caliper's are off or model numbers of the parts that were used
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Loonez wrote:yea my thoughts are the same as to the amount of grinding that he did, he does also say that he did go abit over board on the grinding n that not as much was needed in the final setup but he doesnt post any pic's :lol:

a similar plate as to the one used in that set from that link could be made up to solve the grinding issue its just gettin a full up close detailed view.
another thing is they dont mention what the rotor or the caliper's are off or model numbers of the parts that were used


I reckon ask the guy selling the first kit if he'll sell you a set of rotors. Once you've got those check if it's possible to use a set of disco/rangie/defender calipers with a custom or modified bracket.
Or just see what his price for a whole set is. If it's an acceptable price then it's worth supporting someone who's gone to the effort of putting the kit together.

Oh yeah, here're the makers of the zeus kit.
http://www.zeus.uk.com/land-rover.php
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KiwiBacon wrote:I've seen that conversion before, the one part I don't like is the amount of metal he's removed from the front hub. That's where the first conversion you posted in this thread with the tophat rotor over the hub is vastly superior.

I don't have a series vehicle to convert, but I've already got a large number of my drivetrain and axle parts drawn up and I'm happy to help where I can, here's progress so far.

http://users.actrix.co.nz/dougal.ellen/forums/20090221rangie.jpg

That adapter picture has been done in Google Sketchup. Even if you can get the file it's difficult to convert it to something that's usable for CNC. I'm still hunting for a suitable CAM program for my use at home.


you can do a import from jpeg on both soldworks 2008 and pro engineer
you can then dimention and maipu late form ther... but in all honesty if you hav all the dimentions...you can draw it in about a hour( heaps of faster people out there than me)

as for cam sofware gibbs cam is one of the best .. you can also get plugins for proe and solidworks (i dont have them)

can you model ? may be able to help you out with some "demo" software

... and yeah i can make them "dont work there no more but still can if i have work" but i think jaffa is your man TBH because this is his neiesh
hes also fantastic on cad programs :D
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vvega wrote:you can do a import from jpeg on both soldworks 2008 and pro engineer
you can then dimention and maipu late form ther... but in all honesty if you hav all the dimentions...you can draw it in about a hour( heaps of faster people out there than me)

as for cam sofware gibbs cam is one of the best .. you can also get plugins for proe and solidworks (i dont have them)

can you model ? may be able to help you out with some "demo" software

... and yeah i can make them "dont work there no more but still can if i have work" but i think jaffa is your man TBH because this is his neiesh
hes also fantastic on cad programs :D


Yes you can import JPEG's, but they're only useful as a 2D reference which you can draw ontop of, it's quicker if you can get the measurement sketches. It'd take about 20 minutes to model that up in 3D if you had all the measurements, about twice as long to crank out fully detailed drawings.

I'm about 80% done building a small CNC mill in my garage (converting a manual bench mill) but it's too small for stuff like this. I only have x=100mm y=200 and z=200mm.

This is one of my businesses:
http://www.engen.co.nz/
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i have to pull the parts landy apart so im going to make up a mock unit n get the measurements n stuff done up, but give me till next friday for any sort of confirmation on the measurments :lol:
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Is this a topic on makeing your own conversion, or are you open to other members Disc Bake conversions and how they made them, as I don't want to do a thread jack.
Have they been low volume certed?
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KiwiBacon wrote:
vvega wrote:you can do a import from jpeg on both soldworks 2008 and pro engineer
you can then dimention and maipu late form ther... but in all honesty if you hav all the dimentions...you can draw it in about a hour( heaps of faster people out there than me)

as for cam sofware gibbs cam is one of the best .. you can also get plugins for proe and solidworks (i dont have them)

can you model ? may be able to help you out with some "demo" software

... and yeah i can make them "dont work there no more but still can if i have work" but i think jaffa is your man TBH because this is his neiesh
hes also fantastic on cad programs :D


Yes you can import JPEG's, but they're only useful as a 2D reference which you can draw ontop of, it's quicker if you can get the measurement sketches. It'd take about 20 minutes to model that up in 3D if you had all the measurements, about twice as long to crank out fully detailed drawings.

I'm about 80% done building a small CNC mill in my garage (converting a manual bench mill) but it's too small for stuff like this. I only have x=100mm y=200 and z=200mm.

This is one of my businesses:
http://www.engen.co.nz/


um didnt i just say all that ? ...
#### il think ill give up trying to publically help people on here
if you want my help mate pm me
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oldblue wrote:Is this a topic on makeing your own conversion, or are you open to other members Disc Bake conversions and how they made them, as I don't want to do a thread jack.
Have they been low volume certed?


i made this thread up to see if someone was able to make up a plate here in nz that way i didnt have to source one from outside nz, im mainly just tryna save as much cash as i can,

the plate that is used in the kit i posted in the first post is what im slowly thinking of making a mock up of, & then finding out what calipers & disc's were actually used in that kit

and yes we're open to how other's have made their converstions up, i was thinkin of getting this thread made up as a sticky so all info added to this thread would be appreciated

nope no cert been done on anything so far, i only just thort of doin up the thread to see what could be done

as for those 2 up there, we'll just let them go n see hu wins :lol:

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Re: Disc Brakes on a series landy

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i've also found the pic's i saved of the disc hand-brake i saw on the net while surfing, im just trying to find the info that went with the pic's, i thought it'd be a good idea to try n make up a kit that included all 4 hub's being able to be changed over to disc & also the hand-brake at the same time
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ok found it

http://www.x-eng.co.uk/X-BrakeSeries.asp

thats the disc hand-brake, i've emailed the agent in ozzie to see how much the kit is going to cost with freight included.
i'll also email the ppl of the disc brake kit from the first post of this thread n see how much they charge for that unit, ill post up the info as soon as i get it
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vvega wrote:um didnt i just say all that ? ...
#### il think ill give up trying to publically help people on here
if you want my help mate pm me


If you can't handle corrections and clarfications then giving up probably is your best option.
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Now-Now Boys keep it cool.
Back in the 80s I used to make Disc brake conversion for Landrovers ( sold a few thru Southern Four Wheel Drive CH-CH.
I used calipers from EE80 Toyota Carola's (Chris Amon )1st of the frontwheel drive type, because of the tightness of space I made up patterns and had castings made from SG Cast Iron.
Design was low volume cert'd so able to make more as long as they were the same (no changes )

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Disc's were finished off after being bolted to hub,The disc's were bolted on with 6 only 3/8 UNF bolts,
Calipers were mounted at the back , not on top.

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Re: Disc Brakes on a series landy

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KiwiBacon wrote:
vvega wrote:um didnt i just say all that ? ...
#### il think ill give up trying to publically help people on here
if you want my help mate pm me


If you can't handle corrections and clarfications then giving up probably is your best option.

why are you claifyfying my post ? and how can you correct the time it take me to scratch draw something ? or stick it though my cam software .. or how long our machine would take to do the work ?

perhaps i dont see what your trying to say KB
if you want the job thats fine .. not worried.. but been that you dont have the cnc's nor the cam software and i do .. i would think that jaffa or myself woudl be far better placed to help this fellow for low cost

mybe i just dont understand how telling someone who can help with all the gear to ... give up .. is not helpfull at all
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Re: Disc Brakes on a series landy

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oldblue wrote:Now-Now Boys keep it cool.
Back in the 80s I used to make Disc brake conversion for Landrovers ( sold a few thru Southern Four Wheel Drive CH-CH.
I used calipers from EE80 Toyota Carola's (Chris Amon )1st of the frontwheel drive type, because of the tightness of space I made up patterns and had castings made from SG Cast Iron.
Design was low volume cert'd so able to make more as long as they were the same (no changes )

Image

Disc's were finished off after being bolted to hub,The disc's were bolted on with 6 only 3/8 UNF bolts,
Calipers were mounted at the back , not on top.

Image


nice and simple and could be done at home
nice design
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oldblue wrote:Now-Now Boys keep it cool.
Back in the 80s I used to make Disc brake conversion for Landrovers ( sold a few thru Southern Four Wheel Drive CH-CH.
I used calipers from EE80 Toyota Carola's (Chris Amon )1st of the frontwheel drive type, because of the tightness of space I made up patterns and had castings made from SG Cast Iron.
Design was low volume cert'd so able to make more as long as they were the same (no changes )


Was this the conversion that was on display in their showroom?
Four pot calipers with four bleed nipples on them?
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No, that caliper was made for the army landovers , but because the caliper was a Worwold raceing type,with no DOT cert's , was never used on any Army 4X4s. so it was only ever a static display
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The Dic is the MDF Moulding Pattern made larger to allow for metal shrinkage when casting, Bottom/Left is the Jig for drilling, Centre is finished BKT, Bottom / Right is the Profile machine pattern.
If anyone is 100% sure of making a Disc conversion then PM me, I can't do the work but only to happy to share my thoughts and Patterns.
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yup i'm gona make it my new mission to get this conversion done

4 point disc brakes plus a disc hand-brake :lol:

pm sent aswell

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Re: Disc Brakes on a series landy

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So on the drawing with the rotor, it has the position of the hub face when assembled, how much is taken off the original hub to fit this?
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The hub is machined back to the inner face of the hub flange as drawn and the flutes on the back of the hub are prettywell all removed. Early S1s have a smaller hub flange thickness so the machineing needs to be a wee bit thicker on them. but,
finishing up at the 57mm on all conversions.
I all ways machined the disc to the given sizes but left the faceing sizes wider to finish off once the disc was bolted to the hub, as this faceing needs to be done on a proper disc brake faceing machine "to be 100% accurate"
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