Toyota high pinion front diff

markr · Post by **markr** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:39 pm

Help. Without taking my front diff apart can anyone tell me how many pinions are in a Toyota high pinion front diff?

Rear diff is a 4 pinion electric locker..

Mark

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:32 pm

What truck? what are the codes? most are 2 pinion front...

oldblue · Post by **oldblue** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:37 pm

Sorry Bill, Diffs have 1 pinion ( shaft) what he probley means is how many spider gears/ Most have 2.

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:46 pm

sorry he just called them pinions, yes 2 or 4 spider gears, most are 2...

(long day terminating cables

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Post by **mike** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:57 pm

oldblue wrote:Sorry Bill, Diffs have 1 pinion ( shaft) what he probley means is how many spider gears/ Most have 2.

Actually he was correct. the pinion refered to is the spider gear and not the shaft, commonly known as the spider pinion gear, hence 2 pinion - 4 pinion diffs(spider gears).

Mike

oldblue · Post by **oldblue** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:16 pm

I stand corrected, thanks.

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:31 am

I'm pretty sure they are 2-pinion... Will have a bit of a search around and see if I can find any evidence of them ever making a 4-pin one...

Steve

pradoman · Post by **pradoman** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:26 am

All front high pinion diffs in toytoas except electric lockers are 2 pinion with the exception of hzj79 flat deck landcruisers do have a 4 pinion centre

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:30 am

Hell, I like this guy already... :lol:

Welcome aboard, thanks for the good info

What do you drive? Start a thread, post pics

Steve

pradoman · Post by **pradoman** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:44 am

grey Prado 33"s, Twin diff lockers, 9000lb winch,

pradoman · Post by **pradoman** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:30 am

You can just put a 4 pinion hub in exchange for your 2 pinion or a lsd hob will inter change with the two pinion hub

markr · Post by **markr** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:40 pm

Thanks Mike. I Didn't think I had the terminology wrong. But didn't want to upset anyone on here.

I Seem that most have 2, Not 4....

Sooo... I know only need to deside between the Lokka or Lockright....

markr · Post by **markr** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:44 pm

Ow... I drive a prado. Last of the KZJ71W-MET. Actually dates 1996 model. Yes I know they only show up to 1995. But mine was one of the last off the line in 96....

oldblue · Post by **oldblue** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:43 am

Is there a differance between a Lock-Rite and a Lokka? I thought it was only the price.

Steve_t647 · Post by **Steve_t647** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:04 pm

They both work in the same way from what I understand but the Detroit (lockrite) will handle higher horse power and is made in Mexico for the US the other is Aussie in origin.

Supralux will have the complete answer but this is my understanding. If you do a high power engine swap then I was recommended the detroit, if not then the lokka.

As to the truth this info came from sales ppl.

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:44 pm

Your understanding needs updating. The Lokka is warranted against any tyre size and any horsepower... They both work in similar ways, in that they will not let either wheel spin faster than the input drive from the driveshaft when locked.

Never believe sales people.

Steve

Steve_t647 wrote:They both work in the same way from what I understand but the Detroit (lockrite) will handle higher horse power and is made in Mexico for the US the other is Aussie in origin.

Supralux will have the complete answer but this is mu understanding. If you do a high power engine swap then I was recommended the detroit, if not then the lokka.

As to the truth this info came from sales ppl.

Leithfield · Post by **Leithfield** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:46 pm

Steve_t647 wrote:the Detroit (lockrite) will handle higher horse power and is made in Mexico for the US the other is Aussie in origin.

Actually, The Detroit Locker is quite distinct from that of the Lock-Right with respect to build quality, strength and manufacturer. The Detroit Locker is manufactured by Trachtec (purchased by Eaton Corporation in 2005). Tractech manufacturing plants are based in the US (Michigan) & Ireland.

The LockRight is manufactured by Powertrax (purchased by Richmond in 2005) and they do have a manufacturing plant in Mexico.

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:19 pm

Ok, put it this way... I've been selling Lokkas for a few years, into 1UZ powered Prados front and rear, into 40-series' into Hiluxes, supra powered and standard, into GQ pootrolls, into the front of Bighorns and MUs.... into most things really... and I have not had, or heard of, one single failure. (in most vehicles the CVs are going to give up LONG before the Lokka will... hell the Lokka is probably the strongest item in the drivetrain once fitted.

Where and how they are built is, IMHO, totally irrelevant if the product is sound and reliable - and is warranted against failure, regardless of engine or tyre size.

Steve

Leithfield · Post by **Leithfield** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:12 pm

SupraLux wrote:Where and how they are built is, IMHO, totally irrelevant if the product is sound and reliable - and is warranted against failure, regardless of engine or tyre size. Steve

1/ Point of order Mr Speaker ... if you re-read my post you will note that I never inferred Lokka inferiority; rather, corrected a frequent misconception that Detroit Lockers and LockRights are one and the same.
2/ Examination of the Powertrax website SUGGESTS their market niche: "the POWERTRAX LOCK-RIGHT Locker. rivals much more expensive competitive lockers".
3/ To some extent I agree with your position (however, a replacement policy is poor trade-off for inferior quality control if the consumer must wear the expense of tear-down & rebuild).
4/ Having previously run with Lokka myself in a Supra powered Lux I have nothing but good to say about them. In fact, are they not synonymous with the famed 'Aussie Locker' attracting near cult status on Pirate

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SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:26 pm

Leithfield wrote:Actually, The Detroit Locker is quite distinct from that of the Lock-Right with respect to build quality, strength and manufacturer.

Unless I misread that sentence, you did make the inference that they were not 'up to Detroit standards'

Detroit be damned, I live in Australasia...
Like I said, not very good in organisational heirachys - mr speaker, bite me

Steve

Leithfield · Post by **Leithfield** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:41 pm

SupraLux wrote: Unless I misread that sentence, you did make the inference that they were not 'up to Detroit standards'
bite me
Steve

And my learned friend, I would again assert so. You misquote me, I referred to Detroit Locker.
If it pleases the court, I present exhibit one:
http://www.google.co.nz/search?as_q=det ... =&safe=off

Significant anecdotal evidence available on the internet.

And, I ask that "Bite Me" be struck from the Court record

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:02 pm

Leithfield wrote:Significant anecdotal evidence available on the internet

Anecdotal evidence? WTF is anecdotal evidence... thats like saying there is significant anecdotal evidence that a bumblebee should not be able to fly... and yet the truth is that they do.

I believe this court is closed for the night, and the case is closed permanently.

Especially since you are talking about Lockrights and I'm talking about Lokkas... :wink:

Steve

markr · Post by **markr** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:03 pm

So how long would it take to install a Lokka into the front of the Prado?

And who has the best price....

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:09 pm

Are you doing it yourself? The front axle needs to be pulled apart, either totally or in 'chunks' in order to get to the front diff.

You can either totally strip it and re-kit the hubs while you're there (a good idea if they haven't been done for a while), or remove the backing plate ring from the felt seal, strip the hubs off and the circlip and the nut/star washer/nut, and the top and bottom kinpins then pull the whole hubb assy from the axle, but its heavy, awkward and you risk damaging the inner axle seal.

I'd pull down the whole front end and rebuild it while you're there - the kits about $135 and it might save you having to do it in a few months time anyway...

Time wise... about 2 hours to strip everything and get the diff out, about 1/2 an hour to fit the lokka and about 2-4 hours to re-assemble, depending how clean/finiky you get about it and how many times you put things on the wrong way around

You have my price from the phonecall the other day, call again if you need to double check

Steve

oldblue · Post by **oldblue** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:12 pm

Hi Guys, All I asked , was there a differance between a Lokka, and a Lock-Rite?
Please dont get into slinging match over this.

Leithfield · Post by **Leithfield** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:09 pm

SupraLux [quote="SupraLux wrote: Anecdotal evidence? WTF is anecdotal evidence... thats like saying there is significant anecdotal evidence that a bumblebee should not be able to fly... and yet the truth is that they do.
Steve

Ahhh, but that is where you are wrong grasshopper, the above represents scientific evidence

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No slinging match; all in good humour - Steve and I (near neighbours) just taking the respective piss - Court adjouned

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SupraSurf · Post by **SupraSurf** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:17 pm

Toyota high pinion front diff

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