massive driveshaft angle problems

[jakwoo39]

how the hell do people get on lifting their 70 series cruisers and still running a front driveshaft

mine has had a 4-5 inch lift (soa with lowered springs) and my front driveshaft angle on the transfer case end is ridiculous with no weight on the front axle it the drive shaft cant be turned (almost maxed out with weight)

i have already modified gearbox cross member and shortened a landcruiser 80 rear drive shaft but the angle is still no good

anybody got any ideas?

[ClassicCruiserSpares]

Maybe you need a double cardon shaft?

[jakwoo39]

i tried to get one but only hilux's and surf's come with them and they have smaller flanges on them so wont fit and landcruisers dont seem to have double ones.
i know heaps of other people have done this mod with full 6 inch lift and want to know how they have got around the problem

[ClassicCruiserSpares]

I thought the old early patrols had them too? could be wrong though, also what about buying one new?

[jakwoo39]

are they the same flange size and same pcd?

and i would consider getting a new one but who does them in dunedin?

[ClassicCruiserSpares]

are they the same flange size and same pcd?

and i would consider getting a new one but who does them in dunedin?

Pass! Youll have to do some research on that one or go visit ya local wreackers. Maybe PM Big (keri) he got his front shaft made up with double cardon and was around $500 including the joint from memory for his 70.

[jakwoo39]

i went to wreckers and they were lost for a solution

[niblik]

some 60 series had them on the front too...

as for flanges different on a lux, yeah they are, but drill it out to suit cruiser pattern..

[tomsoffroad]

Do you need to rotate the knuckles? That would lift the pinion Double Cardon joints are longer overall than a single UJ so one might not work

[jakwoo39]

Do you need to rotate the knuckles? That would lift the pinion Double Cardon joints are longer overall than a single UJ so one might not work

doing my swing shackel reversal allowed me to rotate the pinion angle up without having to do the knuckles and it isnt the angle at the diff that is the problem, it is a problem with the transfer end

some 60 series had them on the front too...

as for flanges different on a lux, yeah they are, but drill it out to suit cruiser pattern..

and the spigot in the hilux ones is alot smaller i dont even think there is enough material there to drill out

[callum007]

I had a new shaft made with early model hilux (the high angle one not IFS) double cardan at the t case end. I had to notch the cross member a little too.
Beatties Drive Shafts in Auckland made mine, but your going to be looking $500 plus for a new one. worth it in the end I thought.

[jakwoo39]

ok here is a pic of my angle at the moment




and 500 seems a bit steep, it took me all of 25 mins to shorten that 80 series driveshaft i have got in the front

[Sadam_Husain]

and 500 seems a bit steep, it took me all of 25 mins to shorten that 80 series driveshaft i have got in the front

with labour being around $550-650 per day inc gst and the cost of the double carden and whatever else is needed to make up a custom driveshaft $500 isnt actually that steep, if you've already shortened the one you've got in the front why not give it a go yourself and try making up a double carden shaft

[aroma]

depending on the uj size we may have a dc joint at work pm me if interested

[H2OLOVA]

because of the shackle reversal the pinion is probably 2-3 inches lower than it would normally be. Not sure how you'll fix that? Can you get a high pinion diff? The setup in mine is the same as callums. I welded a hilux d/c into my driveshaft and it works sweet

[Fakey]

Hmm seem to remember mentioning the need to cut an turn the knuckles when you first started this project ..
The idea of the cut an turn is to aim the pinion at the transfer case while allowing you to keep reasonable caster angles. When the pinion is lifted up you need the d/c u/js.
What you appear to have done is just put the pinion angle back to STD spec an the u/js just aren't designed for that much angle with such a high lift
Have you read any of the tech posts on pirate or other forums?

[jakwoo39]

Hmm seem to remember mentioning the need to cut an turn the knuckles when you first started this project ..
The idea of the cut an turn is to aim the pinion at the transfer case while allowing you to keep reasonable caster angles. When the pinion is lifted up you need the d/c u/js.
What you appear to have done is just put the pinion angle back to STD spec an the u/js just aren't designed for that much angle with such a high lift
Have you read any of the tech posts on pirate or other forums?

i was able to rotate the pinion angle up when i did shackel reversal because of where the locating pins are located on the leaf springs.

and it is not the angle at the pinion that is the problem it is the angle at the transfer case that is the issue.
if u look closely the transfer case actually leans back to the rear diff which makes a prick of an angle for the front one

[jakwoo39]

is there anybody in dunedin that i can take my truck to to get one made? just been to wreckers and they want 350 just for a drive shaft and i was thinking about going for a double cardon at each end so would be a very expensive drive shaft for me to buy and make

or maby somebody that wants to part with a couple of double cardon ujs and a reasonable price?

[aroma]

can any one tell me the size of the uj in this as have found several d c's at work but need the width and cap sizes to make sure that are right
cheers