Certification for lifts

[dtchch]

I can't seem to find the final answer on this (more grey area laws...)

I'm looking at doing the cheap vitara lift, and I think I can get some spring spacers for the front.

Less than 2" let's say. Will I need Cert?

[vinceparts]

yes

[dtchch]

Thanks

And is that a flat rate for certification? If so I might as well do all the work to the suspension I need, body lift and get bigger tyres at the same time.

Wish I had a 2nd car now

[vinceparts]

different certifiers charge similar rates, id do all suspension then cert, it gets pretty costly when ur doin one thing at at time because cert paltes need to re written which you have to pay for and the certifiers time, buy everything, then put it all on at once then get cert

[dtchch]

Thanks for the info, nice to have it cleared up

I've got rear shocks, springs and spacers sorted. I think I'll have to throw a bit of cash to bits4vits to get a few parts including 1" body lift.

[mudbugga]

Been through the body lifts and WOF's issue at work with Don Hoff (very well known certifier here in CHCH).
If the body lift is under 50mm a cert is NOT required.

[vinceparts]

Been through the body lifts and WOF's issue at work with Don Hoff (very well known certifier here in CHCH).
If the body lift is under 50mm a cert is NOT required.

really? so a 49mm bodylift is fine?

[Mudde1]

Been through the body lifts and WOF's issue at work with Don Hoff (very well known certifier here in CHCH).
If the body lift is under 50mm a cert is NOT required.

All body lifts, regardless of height, require a cert and always have. This was reminded to certifiers in a recent newsletter.
Many certifiers get mixed up with the rules on lowering and I suspect this has happened in this case.
Tony Burgess
President NZFWDA.

[tallsam66]

Been through the body lifts and WOF's issue at work with Don Hoff (very well known certifier here in CHCH).
If the body lift is under 50mm a cert is NOT required.

All body lifts, regardless of height, require a cert and always have. This was reminded to certifiers in a recent newsletter.
Many certifiers get mixed up with the rules on lowering and I suspect this has happened in this case.
Tony Burgess
President NZFWDA.

The is no specific mention in any LVVTA manual that i have been able to find that says a cert is required for a body lift.Just as there is no mention of a certain height lift being exempt.....if there is please tell me what pages it on & do please put a link showing the page.

[Mudde1]

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The is no specific mention in any LVVTA manual that i have been able to find that says a cert is required for a body lift.Just as there is no mention of a certain height lift being exempt.....if there is please tell me what pages it on & do please put a link showing the page.

The rules work the other way around. You can do any mod that is allowed as listed here http://www.lvvta.org.nz/documents/suple ... eshold.pdf .
Anything else requires a cert, so if there is no mention of a certain height lift being exempt, its not.
Tony Burgess
President NZFWDA

[samewan]

did you read it at all?

you can add blocks as long as it is not a above a 50mm increase page 6 about 6 lines down

but thats only for leaf springs

[LOLYF]

did you read it at all?

you can add blocks as long as it is not a above a 50mm increase page 6 about 6 lines down

but thats only for leaf springs

Leaf springs have nothing to do with a body lift.

[samewan]

its not about body lift this thread is about lifts in genral?

[LOLYF]

its not about body lift this thread is about lifts in genral?

In that case : Vitara's dont have leaf springs

[Mudde1]

its not about body lift this thread is about lifts in genral?

When the author said "1" body lift." I took it that he was talking about body lifts.

[tallsam66]

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The is no specific mention in any LVVTA manual that i have been able to find that says a cert is required for a body lift.Just as there is no mention of a certain height lift being exempt.....if there is please tell me what pages it on & do please put a link showing the page.

[/quote]
The rules work the other way around. You can do any mod that is allowed as listed here http://www.lvvta.org.nz/documents/suple ... eshold.pdf .
Anything else requires a cert, so if there is no mention of a certain height lift being exempt, its not.
Tony Burgess
President NZFWDA[/quote]

Well if thats the case then ...why are certifiers insisting a vehicle be certified if its had a suspensioned lift where only different height springs are substiututed for the factory ones & are using the factory mounts etc with no structural changes what so ever..just bolt in.

[Mudde1]

[/quote]

Well if thats the case then ...why are certifiers insisting a vehicle be certified if its had a suspensioned lift where only different height springs are substiututed for the factory ones & are using the factory mounts etc with no structural changes what so ever..just bolt in.[/quote]
What height of lift are they installing?

[dtchch]

So reading that, the suspension lift I intend on doing should be fine without cert. Minta

[tallsam66]

So reading that, the suspension lift I intend on doing should be fine without cert. Minta

Should be if you use all the original mounts etc...is very clear in the "allow list"
But i expect NZW4WD assn to say other wise are they have a financial interest in as many vehicles being certified as possible as they are shareholders of LVVTA ..so more certs done..more money made.

[Mudde1]

So reading that, the suspension lift I intend on doing should be fine without cert. Minta

Should be if you use all the original mounts etc...is very clear in the "allow list"
But i expect NZW4WD assn to say other wise are they have a financial interest in as many vehicles being certified as possible as they are shareholders of LVVTA ..so more certs done..more money made.

You are correct that if you change springs and shocks only and lift is less that 50mm, a cert is not required.
it is also true that NZFWDA are Members of LVVTA and receive a small payment each year based on the number of cert plates manufactured, as do NZ Hot Rod, NZ Motor caravan, Vintage Car Club, Motor Sport NZ etc. 4 wheel drives represent only a small percentage of the total number of vehicles that LVVTA Certify. The payment we revive is only a very small percentage of our total income. All of that money, and more, goes back into training related to low volume vehicles. We have also spent a considerable amount of money on LVVTA in the past.
NZFWDA has in fact worked very hard to ensure that members have greater scope to keep their modified vehicles road legal
To infer that we are some how trying to make money by insisting on rule changes to force more people to have certs is not only outrageous but also ignoring the facts.

Tony Burgess
president NZFWDA.

[tallsam66]

So reading that, the suspension lift I intend on doing should be fine without cert. Minta

Should be if you use all the original mounts etc...is very clear in the "allow list"
But i expect NZW4WD assn to say other wise are they have a financial interest in as many vehicles being certified as possible as they are shareholders of LVVTA ..so more certs done..more money made.

You are correct that if you change springs and shocks only and lift is less that 50mm, a cert is not required.
it is also true that NZFWDA are Members of LVVTA and receive a small payment each year based on the number of cert plates manufactured, as do NZ Hot Rod, NZ Motor caravan, Vintage Car Club, Motor Sport NZ etc. 4 wheel drives represent only a small percentage of the total number of vehicles that LVVTA Certify. The payment we revive is only a very small percentage of our total income. All of that money, and more, goes back into training related to low volume vehicles. We have also spent a considerable amount of money on LVVTA in the past.
NZFWDA has in fact worked very hard to ensure that members have greater scope to keep their modified vehicles road legal
To infer that we are some how trying to make money by insisting on rule changes to force more people to have certs is not only outrageous but also ignoring the facts.

Tony Burgess
president NZFWDA.

I have very carefully read the entire thresholds document & especially so section 9-1 (Steering & Suspensions System) & am unable to see any reference to the 50mm limit you talk about.The only time a limit of 50mm is mentioned is with regard to lower blocks for leaf springs (& were sure arent lowering anything) .There for i would have to conclude there is no limit to the height you can lift if the shocks & spring change is of the "bolt in variety".

[vinceparts]

One question , how does anyone know what the factory height of a hilux is..... Some are sagged and others not some say your spring lift is 100mm , whose gonna kniw that for sure?

[toysuzi]

You are correct that if you change springs and shocks only and lift is less that 50mm, a cert is not required.
it is also true that NZFWDA are Members of LVVTA and receive a small payment each year based on the number of cert plates manufactured, as do NZ Hot Rod, NZ Motor caravan, Vintage Car Club, Motor Sport NZ etc. 4 wheel drives represent only a small percentage of the total number of vehicles that LVVTA Certify. The payment we revive is only a very small percentage of our total income. All of that money, and more, goes back into training related to low volume vehicles. We have also spent a considerable amount of money on LVVTA in the past.
NZFWDA has in fact worked very hard to ensure that members have greater scope to keep their modified vehicles road legal
To infer that we are some how trying to make money by insisting on rule changes to force more people to have certs is not only outrageous but also ignoring the facts.

Tony Burgess
president NZFWDA.[/quote]

I have very carefully read the entire thresholds document & especially so section 9-1 (Steering & Suspensions System) & am unable to see any reference to the 50mm limit you talk about.The only time a limit of 50mm is mentioned is with regard to lower blocks for leaf springs (& were sure arent lowering anything) .There for i would have to conclude there is no limit to the height you can lift if the shocks & spring change is of the "bolt in variety".[/quote]

finally same one that know something.
a lot of people make up things in there head
there is no specific height that needs cert
as long as it drives normally down the road for a wof


on a side note
when i got cert they could not even convert 1" to 25mm
now it is certed for a 50mm body lift so not even perfected when certed

[dtchch]

Hmm still grey area then

I can't see where it mentions 50mm either, as long as the mounts aren't modified and the springs are captive.

Would spring spacers void that?

[vinceparts]

do everything you want to your truck as long as you think its very safe and others do too , drive till youre finished doing your mods then cert it all, done,its not the correct and pc way of doing it but as long as its safe and has a wof and reg drive it unless it definately requires a cert , its all grey areas, different cert guys understand rules differently,