[ORE Welly] Recovery/Trip Leader/Organiser Training Day

warlord225 · Post by **warlord225** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:01 pm

Cloggy_NZ wrote:Where are you going to find another Diehatshoe to make up your team Jerry?

The tip?

greg29 · Post by **greg29** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:40 pm

hey anyone bringing a suzuki?

jumper · Post by **jumper** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:43 pm

Sounds good, so who is on team toyota or team red truck

Sadam_Husain · Post by **Sadam_Husain** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:45 pm

jumper wrote:Sounds good, so who is on team toyota or team red truck

Could be team toyota, team red or team chev
....take your pick

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:02 am

I'll fix ya bast#rds.....I'll get 2 tanks or something and put Daihatsu badges on it... :lol:

warlord225 · Post by **warlord225** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:31 pm

don't worry I know exactly what bog to throw them in.

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:32 pm

Ok I might get some pegs (out of my own pocket) and then we have some to use, how many people are coming to this...I might have a $5 or $10 charge per truck each event they are used until I am paid back....

Any thoughts?

Have people got trade accounts for wood and piping? can I get some prices?, the pegs then become ORE property and then we need somewhere to store them

doddzee · Post by **doddzee** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:10 pm

Jerry wrote:The purpose of this day is to give some informal guidence and training on performing safe recoveries and also a session for those running & organising trips on safe working practices before/during and after a trip and if incidents occur. Bring your extra recovery gear we can have some team challenges and try out different methods of recovery.

We can discuss the recent towhook incident as well (with the purpose of preventing this happening in the future) I can arrange someone to look at your hooks and see if they are safe enough as well.

Who are the knowlegable people giving this guidance and training??

I should be there now, teams challenge has been put off for 2 weeks.

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:49 pm

Bump

Right...I need to know an Idea of numbers, Also am I buying some wood for pegs (or not), and can people get wood/pipe cheap?

warlord225 · Post by **warlord225** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:55 pm

I'll be therererere (sp?)

Sadam_Husain · Post by **Sadam_Husain** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:49 pm

this trip is only a week away now

better start posting up all the people that are intending to go

mroffroader · Post by **mroffroader** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:47 am

Sorry, I wonn't be there :cry:

turoa · Post by **turoa** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:16 am

You guys do realise that theres a ccvc driver training on sunday as well?

I was there last weekend blocking up all the entrys except for the gate. The padlock has also been replaced on the gate aswell.

warlord225 · Post by **warlord225** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:18 am

you didn't block the humps did you, if so I suggest that who ever did gets down there and unblocks them.

don't take that in an angry tone, just a normal suggestive tone

mroffroader · Post by **mroffroader** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:22 am

warlord225 wrote:you didn't block the humps did you, if so I suggest that who ever did gets down there and unblocks them.

don't take that in an angry tone, just a normal suggestive tone

Yes, I think they blocked everything to stop unwanted people getting in. You will need to get a key for the gate, or if they have replaced it go to your freind and get a new key :wink:

turoa · Post by **turoa** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:23 am

warlord225 wrote:you didn't block the humps did you, if so I suggest that who ever did gets down there and unblocks them.

don't take that in an angry tone, just a normal suggestive tone

The humps were blocked by a bulldozer who had been dozing the motorcross tracks. With permission from henry (he told me he wanted all the entrys except the gate blocked off) we dragged the burnt out car up to another point where you could get in easily.

You should be organising access, not just driving in there, shouldnt you

warlord225 · Post by **warlord225** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:27 am

the thing is J, that Henry told everyone who could to use the humps, to save wear on the padlock, and it was henry who built the humps for that exact purpose.

looks like we ar gunna be excavating the humps on suunday then

turoa · Post by **turoa** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:51 pm

Have you rang henry and asked for permission? because it was a bull dozer (presumably instructed by henry) who has piled up and put pylons on where the humps were. I just dragged the car up to a break in the fence.

There is another way to get in though if needed, PM me if interested and I will tell you.

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:56 pm

I am organising access, we go in with henry's permission (so we don't risk our access and other clubs), even if we have a key I usually ask him as a courtesy....

I am aware CCVC may be there as well, shouldn't be a problem as I was intending to do just hazards / practical training etc...shouldn't be an issue...

More importantly I need to know numbers....

Sadam_Husain · Post by **Sadam_Husain** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:58 pm

best way in's the legal way

edit*
you type faster than me jerry :oops:

Yep I think I'll probably be there for Sunday if my truck dosent break at terawhitti on Wednesday

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:12 pm

Its a Landcruiser (and seeing as I will be a proud cruiser owner in 15 mins) it won't break down, all those Quality Daihatsu parts in them help as well....

Sadam_Husain · Post by **Sadam_Husain** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:23 pm

reading back through the thread we've got

Jerry
Warlord
disfordog
stinky
Mark
greg29
Doddzee
Sadam

Jumpers clutch is broke, MrO's truck is in bits, dunno about Tu? who else have I forgotten?

Might need to reconfirm all these names as they go back a couple of weeks

Handbrake · Post by **Handbrake** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:39 pm

Hi. If the weather is good on Saturday then we will be there on Sunday, as it means that the Mana Cruising Club fishing competition will be held on the Saturday. If the Fishing comp is postponed to Sunday due to weather, then we will be fishing. I speak for myself, Mark may want to go 4x4ing, if he does he has to drop me and the boat off at Mana first :lol:

So unless the weather is crap and our fishing comp is postponed to the Sunday, then we will see you then. I will hopefully see you at Terawhiti tomorrow though! Mark is now going boating rather than golfing, so he wants the Whale, but I am encouraging him to take his Brothers paj so I can bring the Whale to Terawhiti! :twisted:

Cloggy_NZ · Post by **Cloggy_NZ** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:43 pm

Sound like it is about time you convinced Mark you need your own 4x4!

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:03 pm

just tell mark to get his own truck :lol:

and leave your Nissan alone..... if he complains just give him the look :roll:

Handbrake · Post by **Handbrake** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:30 pm

Yay....guess what!!! Mark has had to pull the pin on his trip cos people have had other stuff come up. So we are definitely coming (to Terawhiti), Mark, me and Olly (Jake is spending the day with Marks Mum). I told Mark that I still get to drive!!! :lol:

HighCountry · Post by **HighCountry** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:20 am

Jerry wrote:Date : Sunday the 29th of April
Location: Aotea Block
Drivers Briefing / Start Time: 10.00am
BBQ Lunch $2 per person
Bookings are required
Rated Towhooks are required (mounted properly) if you are using the hazards.

The purpose of this day is to give some informal guidence and training on performing safe recoveries and also a session for those running & organising trips on safe working practices before/during and after a trip and if incidents occur. Bring your extra recovery gear we can have some team challenges and try out different methods of recovery.

We can discuss the recent towhook incident as well (with the purpose of preventing this happening in the future) I can arrange someone to look at your hooks and see if they are safe enough as well.

There will be time for a general play afterwards, there may be some pegged hazards to try out as well....

ANYONE IS WELCOME THIS IS OPEN TO EVERYONE ON ORE

Hi Guys. Just got a couple of things to throw into here for a bit of thought........(NOT as for a means of my being 'shot down in flames'....)

1) 'Rated towhooks are required' - usually accompanied by the words 'front & rear....' - define 'rated' - would this be the 10,000lb rated hooks that can be brought?? That we then hook a 8,000kg snatch strap onto...?? (I'll let you do the conversion maths...!!) How do we fit one of these onto a late-model vehicle?? How do we maybe fit this to a vehicle with air-bag triggers in the front of the chassis.......?? Have seen suggestions here on the forum, about drilling the chassis / fitting crush-tubes / H-T bolts etc - whilst a great idea (I'm not knocking it..) - is LVVC then required for 'chassis mods'..........?? Is just a thought.........
Rated hooks to the rear, ALWAYS gets me going......... :roll:

does this mean a shackle through the towball hole on the towbar, is not considered good enough.........?? Or is this 'less safe', or maybe 'more safe' than a 'rated hook'...??? How bout using a receiver type hitch, will the pin through the strap-eye...........??

2). Have seen forum suggestions that a 'dampner' be used on snatch-straps, as added protection for if something breaks. THIS IS A FALLACY!!! Go out - experiment a bit - break a 'hook' with no dampner on the strap - then break another 'hook' with a strap thats got a dampner over it - come back - tell me what the differance is. Then if you really want to see how (in)effective a dampner is on a snatchstrap, have the hook 'break', while its got a 4.7 rated shackle on it............. :shock:

3). As well as all the the 'hornets nest' thats contained within the tow points / rated hooks / etc, etc (and theres a couple.... :roll:

), the other factor that comes into it, is theres lots of people that don't know how to properly use a snatch-strap!! And, they just have absolutely no idea of the forces involved when using one........!! Which is all ok - till something goes wrong / something breaks.

4). Been talk of a 'safety-strap' attached to the eye of a snatch strap - good idea, providing the tree-trunk protector being used has a higher 'break' rating than the snatch-strap, & is secured around something that will never break.

5) Snatch-strap ratings - CHECK WHAT IS BEING HOOKED TO YOUR VEHICLE, FOR RATING, AND CONDITION!!!!! Not really shouting - just trying to make sure people take notice. Beware, that there are snatch-straps out there, that are only rated to 4500kg. Personally, I will NOT be using anything with that low a rating, when its hooked to my 3000 kg Landcruiser (not that Toyota's get stuck or anything........ :wink:

)

Why have I said this?? To offer a few things that maybe should be discussed at your upcoming training guys. For recreational 4WDing - I believe we all have 2 main objectives when we go out - have a bit of fun - & be able to go home safe at the end of the day. Even if 'only' snatching out a stuck truck - don't compromise your being able to do the 2nd objective.........

Cheers - P.

doddzee · Post by **doddzee** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:26 am

HighCountry wrote:Hi Guys. Just got a couple of things to throw into here for a bit of thought........(NOT as for a means of my being 'shot down in flames'....)

1) 'Rated towhooks are required' - usually accompanied by the words 'front & rear....' - define 'rated' - would this be the 10,000lb rated hooks that can be brought?? That we then hook a 8,000kg snatch strap onto...?? (I'll let you do the conversion maths...!!) How do we fit one of these onto a late-model vehicle?? How do we maybe fit this to a vehicle with air-bag triggers in the front of the chassis.......?? Have seen suggestions here on the forum, about drilling the chassis / fitting crush-tubes / H-T bolts etc - whilst a great idea (I'm not knocking it..) - is LVVC then required for 'chassis mods'..........?? Is just a thought.........
Rated hooks to the rear, ALWAYS gets me going......... does this mean a shackle through the towball hole on the towbar, is not considered good enough.........?? Or is this 'less safe', or maybe 'more safe' than a 'rated hook'...??? How bout using a receiver type hitch, will the pin through the strap-eye...........??

2). Have seen forum suggestions that a 'dampner' be used on snatch-straps, as added protection for if something breaks. THIS IS A FALLACY!!! Go out - experiment a bit - break a 'hook' with no dampner on the strap - then break another 'hook' with a strap thats got a dampner over it - come back - tell me what the differance is. Then if you really want to see how (in)effective a dampner is on a snatchstrap, have the hook 'break', while its got a 4.7 rated shackle on it.............

3). As well as all the the 'hornets nest' thats contained within the tow points / rated hooks / etc, etc (and theres a couple.... ), the other factor that comes into it, is theres lots of people that don't know how to properly use a snatch-strap!! And, they just have absolutely no idea of the forces involved when using one........!! Which is all ok - till something goes wrong / something breaks.

4). Been talk of a 'safety-strap' attached to the eye of a snatch strap - good idea, providing the tree-trunk protector being used has a higher 'break' rating than the snatch-strap, & is secured around something that will never break.

5) Snatch-strap ratings - CHECK WHAT IS BEING HOOKED TO YOUR VEHICLE, FOR RATING, AND CONDITION!!!!! Not really shouting - just trying to make sure people take notice. Beware, that there are snatch-straps out there, that are only rated to 4500kg. Personally, I will NOT be using anything with that low a rating, when its hooked to my 3000 kg Landcruiser (not that Toyota's get stuck or anything........ )

Why have I said this?? To offer a few things that maybe should be discussed at your upcoming training guys. For recreational 4WDing - I believe we all have 2 main objectives when we go out - have a bit of fun - & be able to go home safe at the end of the day. Even if 'only' snatching out a stuck truck - don't compromise your being able to do the 2nd objective.........

Cheers - P.

You and jerry sound like a match made in heaven :wink:

Do a towhooks search on the forum, this hads been discussed time after time.

warlord225 · Post by **warlord225** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:28 am

HighCountry wrote:
Jerry wrote:Date : Sunday the 29th of April
Location: Aotea Block
Drivers Briefing / Start Time: 10.00am
BBQ Lunch $2 per person
Bookings are required
Rated Towhooks are required (mounted properly) if you are using the hazards.

The purpose of this day is to give some informal guidence and training on performing safe recoveries and also a session for those running & organising trips on safe working practices before/during and after a trip and if incidents occur. Bring your extra recovery gear we can have some team challenges and try out different methods of recovery.

We can discuss the recent towhook incident as well (with the purpose of preventing this happening in the future) I can arrange someone to look at your hooks and see if they are safe enough as well.

There will be time for a general play afterwards, there may be some pegged hazards to try out as well....

ANYONE IS WELCOME THIS IS OPEN TO EVERYONE ON ORE

Hi Guys. Just got a couple of things to throw into here for a bit of thought........(NOT as for a means of my being 'shot down in flames'....)

1) 'Rated towhooks are required' - usually accompanied by the words 'front & rear....' - define 'rated' - would this be the 10,000lb rated hooks that can be brought?? That we then hook a 8,000kg snatch strap onto...?? (I'll let you do the conversion maths...!!) How do we fit one of these onto a late-model vehicle?? How do we maybe fit this to a vehicle with air-bag triggers in the front of the chassis.......?? Have seen suggestions here on the forum, about drilling the chassis / fitting crush-tubes / H-T bolts etc - whilst a great idea (I'm not knocking it..) - is LVVC then required for 'chassis mods'..........?? Is just a thought.........
Rated hooks to the rear, ALWAYS gets me going......... does this mean a shackle through the towball hole on the towbar, is not considered good enough.........?? Or is this 'less safe', or maybe 'more safe' than a 'rated hook'...??? How bout using a receiver type hitch, will the pin through the strap-eye...........??

2). Have seen forum suggestions that a 'dampner' be used on snatch-straps, as added protection for if something breaks. THIS IS A FALLACY!!! Go out - experiment a bit - break a 'hook' with no dampner on the strap - then break another 'hook' with a strap thats got a dampner over it - come back - tell me what the differance is. Then if you really want to see how (in)effective a dampner is on a snatchstrap, have the hook 'break', while its got a 4.7 rated shackle on it.............

3). As well as all the the 'hornets nest' thats contained within the tow points / rated hooks / etc, etc (and theres a couple.... ), the other factor that comes into it, is theres lots of people that don't know how to properly use a snatch-strap!! And, they just have absolutely no idea of the forces involved when using one........!! Which is all ok - till something goes wrong / something breaks.

4). Been talk of a 'safety-strap' attached to the eye of a snatch strap - good idea, providing the tree-trunk protector being used has a higher 'break' rating than the snatch-strap, & is secured around something that will never break.

5) Snatch-strap ratings - CHECK WHAT IS BEING HOOKED TO YOUR VEHICLE, FOR RATING, AND CONDITION!!!!! Not really shouting - just trying to make sure people take notice. Beware, that there are snatch-straps out there, that are only rated to 4500kg. Personally, I will NOT be using anything with that low a rating, when its hooked to my 3000 kg Landcruiser (not that Toyota's get stuck or anything........ )

Why have I said this?? To offer a few things that maybe should be discussed at your upcoming training guys. For recreational 4WDing - I believe we all have 2 main objectives when we go out - have a bit of fun - & be able to go home safe at the end of the day. Even if 'only' snatching out a stuck truck - don't compromise your being able to do the 2nd objective.........

Cheers - P.

do we really have to bang on about this?, go do a serch buddy, and/or turn up this sunday

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:33 pm

You and jerry sound like a match made in heaven

Do a towhooks search on the forum, this hads been discussed time after time.

do we really have to bang on about this?, go do a serch buddy, and/or turn up this sunday

Oi Doddzee and Warlord :roll:

Pull your f****** heads in.....he wasn't preaching, He was offering suggestions, I did ask earlier in the thread if anyone had any idea's.....and these are good ones to help train people with , Warlord have you strengthened your front hook as per my suggestions yet :roll:

...if you are going to stick your heads in the sand and nit pick everytime someone makes a constructive suggestion then I will give you 2 a 10 hour safety lecture on towhooks (and anyone else). :twisted:

(and I'll get Saddam to drive over you with his cruiser .....I'm sure he will agree being the recent near reciepient of a towhook in the head) .... this guy is a NZQA qualified 4wd trainer as well..... :oops:

you may want to be a bit nicer to him :roll:

Geez and I get complained about for going over the top :cry:

PS Its my trip as well ...don't make me uninvite you..... :lol:

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