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Re: cert???
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:58 pm
by J_Dub
do farmers need the big lifts down there for water crossings?
Re: cert???
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:42 pm
by Mudde1
getsum wrote:im a dairy farmer.
i require a lifted truck to get work done on the farm.
we dont have quads because they cant go the same places as the 4x4s..
we also require a wof to be able to walk our stock on a public rd.so now we will need to certify 3 trucks,and join a club just so we can walk our stock 3 km???
sorry,but thats just a F###G joke..
sure i wouldnt mind too much for my own truck,but come on..
we wont get a cert untill we are forced to..its a huge cost to us to take our vehicles over to chch to get a check done, then drive back a couple of weeks later to get the plate put on...waste of money and time...
and how does having a cert make the truck safer???
NZFWDA did not promote the tightening of the rules, we simply informed our members of what was happening, and we arranged an exemption for our members.What is wrong with that???
if your truck is lifted less that 100 mm it is unlikely to require a Authority card. if it is currently lifted 100mm that's probably because it has lager tires in which case it should already have a cert, so no change
Re: cert???
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:15 pm
by getsum
we had to contend with river crossings, mud, rocks and towing shit through all of them..
we use suzukis,so yeah, they need to be lifted for this work we do, they use a fairly small tyre so we can actually turn them.
i cant see the reason for having to have an authority card for me to legally do my job,on top of all the other compliance costs we face..bloody pen pushers ruining another past time/work.
guess ill just be forced to have illegal vehicles,cos i sure as hell am not joing a club or going to chch just to get a cert just so i can do my job which is a 365 day a year job,not a 1 day a week hobby...
i just get really p-----d off at all the extra costs we get in our industry by pen pushers..
it would be nice if we (the farmers) could control the price of milk so that we can cover these compliance costs that keep getting thrown at us..
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:45 am
by LOLYF
So you have a Suzuki with small tyres and more than 100mm of lift
Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me, and the whole reason we have cert laws. How does a vehicle like that get a WOF now?
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:47 am
by haydgq
LOLYF wrote:So you have a Suzuki with small tyres and more than 100mm of lift
Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me, and the whole reason we have cert laws. How does a vehicle like that get a WOF now?
Yea half the people on here are fully jumping the gun, my hilux runs standard height coils and a 40mm body lift with 35 inch simexs and its plenty high enough and the tyres dont rub anywere.
Cant people read the LESS than 100mm part.?????????????????????????????????????????????
a Suzuki with 100mm or more lift would roll over when going up a driveway.
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:56 am
by getsum
LOLYF wrote:So you have a Suzuki with small tyres and more than 100mm of lift
Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me, and the whole reason we have cert laws. How does a vehicle like that get a WOF now?
theyr 30s if you must know...plenty big enough for a suzuki
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:22 am
by haydgq
getsum wrote:LOLYF wrote:So you have a Suzuki with small tyres and more than 100mm of lift
Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me, and the whole reason we have cert laws. How does a vehicle like that get a WOF now?
theyr 30s if you must know...plenty big enough for a suzuki
Yea they are big enough but still tiny tyres so whats your point and why are you ranting about the lifts and certs when clearly you wont even be affected by it.??????????
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:40 am
by getsum
we will be affected by it if you can read..
we require wofs to legally drive on the rd.
to get a wof we will now require a authority card and cert
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:45 am
by dave_ln130
[/quote]
NZFWDA did not promote the tightening of the rules, we simply informed our members of what was happening, and we arranged an exemption for our members.What is wrong with that???
if your truck is lifted less that 100 mm it is unlikely to require a Authority card. if it is currently lifted 100mm that's probably because it has lager tires in which case it should already have a cert, so no change[/quote]
so my truck has 50mm suspention lift and 50mm body lift with factory sized mud tires on it im 100mm lift as is will i need cert or do i shave 5 mm off my body mount bushes to be under and is the 100mm rule available to be seen anywere mate ?
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:55 am
by Sadam_Husain
getsum wrote:we will be affected by it if you can read..
we require wofs to legally drive on the rd.
to get a wof we will now require a authority card and cert
no.... you have always required a cert to drive your modified truck on the road legaly or to get a wof so whats changed?
come clean and stop breaking the law, get it certified "now" and none of these proposals or law changes will have any affect on ya, moaning about it isnt going to help you
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:42 pm
by DaveM
dave_ln130 wrote:
so my truck has 50mm suspention lift and 50mm body lift with factory sized mud tires on it im 100mm lift as is will i need cert or do i shave 5 mm off my body mount bushes to be under and is the 100mm rule available to be seen anywere mate ?
You need a cert for a bodylift, regardless of the size.......
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:44 pm
by DaveM
getsum wrote:we will be affected by it if you can read..
we require wofs to legally drive on the rd.
to get a wof we will now require a authority card and cert
So your farm hack will be running over 4" lift? If not, you should NOT need an authority card.
Nothing else has changed, if you need to get a cert, the rules are the same.
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:49 pm
by lincooln
and a cert doesnt make it safer, it just proves the modifications are already made are to a safe standard,
finally if you dont like the laws put a small proposal together and send it to tony
otherwise stop complaining.
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:38 pm
by lexulance
Hi all, as promised i have checked the updates for suspension lifts etc
This is how it stands legally at the moment.
Any suspension lift other than OE must have low volume cert.
Any body lift other than OE must have low volume cert.
Thems the rules as full of red tape and politics as it is thats how it is
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:41 pm
by haydgq
lexulance wrote:Hi all, as promised i have checked the updates for suspension lifts etc
This is how it stands legally at the moment.
Any suspension lift other than OE must have low volume cert.
Any body lift other than OE must have low volume cert.
Thems the rules as full of red tape and politics as it is thats how it is
Were did this info come from mate.?
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:46 pm
by lexulance
The wof rules and regs book at work and also from the updates we get from LTNZ, the latest load of shit was an ammendment update for suspension and lifts
I know it sucks but thats the rules i have to follow as an AVI unfortunately
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:51 pm
by haydgq
lexulance wrote:The wof rules and regs book at work and also from the updates we get from LTNZ, the latest load of shit was an ammendment update for suspension and lifts
I know it sucks but thats the rules i have to follow as an AVI unfortunately
Oh right thats weird, just asked my neighbour who is a mechanic for Toyota and does wof's for them and they havent heard a thing about this.
When did this actually come in.??
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:01 pm
by crazyclark31
Sadam_Husain wrote:getsum wrote:we will be affected by it if you can read..
we require wofs to legally drive on the rd.
to get a wof we will now require a authority card and cert
no.... you have always required a cert to drive your modified truck on the road legaly or to get a wof so whats changed?
come clean and stop breaking the law, get it certified "now" and none of these proposals or law changes will have any affect on ya, moaning about it isnt going to help you
What happens when these guys have to replace a vehcile? Do the new rules apply? or can they carry existing cert across?
lots of farmers down here will also be affected as they run the suzuki farm worker trucks which to run 30's do require 4in or more lift as they come with 165/13s. again when they replace or get one for the first time the new dumbass rules will affect them
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:09 pm
by lexulance
haydgq wrote:lexulance wrote:The wof rules and regs book at work and also from the updates we get from LTNZ, the latest load of shit was an ammendment update for suspension and lifts
I know it sucks but thats the rules i have to follow as an AVI unfortunately
Oh right thats weird, just asked my neighbour who is a mechanic for Toyota and does wof's for them and they havent heard a thing about this.
When did this actually come in.??
Not sure of the date, i wasnt aware of it either untill i checked the updates that i usually look at for two seconds then proceed to wipe my ass with, but it was there in green black and white,will check the date on the update tomorrow and let u guys know
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:11 pm
by Sadam_Husain
crazyclark31 wrote:What happens when these guys have to replace a vehcile? Do the new rules apply? or can they carry existing cert across?
lots of farmers down here will also be affected as they run the suzuki farm worker trucks which to run 30's do require 4in or more lift as they come with 165/13s. again when they replace or get one for the first time the new dumbass rules will affect them
probably best they get proactive and get involved in the proposed changes if their needs arent being met?
dunno what they think they'll achieve by whineing on here all day
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:14 pm
by lexulance
crazyclark31 wrote:Sadam_Husain wrote:getsum wrote:we will be affected by it if you can read..
we require wofs to legally drive on the rd.
to get a wof we will now require a authority card and cert
no.... you have always required a cert to drive your modified truck on the road legaly or to get a wof so whats changed?
come clean and stop breaking the law, get it certified "now" and none of these proposals or law changes will have any affect on ya, moaning about it isnt going to help you
What happens when these guys have to replace a vehcile? Do the new rules apply? or can they carry existing cert across?
lots of farmers down here will also be affected as they run the suzuki farm worker trucks which to run 30's do require 4in or more lift as they come with 165/13s. again when they replace or get one for the first time the new dumbass rules will affect them
Believe cert is not transferrable between vehicles so yeah itl need to be re certed with each new truck
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:21 pm
by crazyclark31
Sadam_Husain wrote:crazyclark31 wrote:What happens when these guys have to replace a vehcile? Do the new rules apply? or can they carry existing cert across?
lots of farmers down here will also be affected as they run the suzuki farm worker trucks which to run 30's do require 4in or more lift as they come with 165/13s. again when they replace or get one for the first time the new dumbass rules will affect them
probably best they get proactive and get involved in the proposed changes if their needs arent being met?
dunno what they think they'll achieve by whineing on here all day
have told all those that i know of about these new rules and to have their say to the lta. As for whineing on here obviously not much but its good to vent
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:23 pm
by getsum
Sadam_Husain:
if it was gonna cos YOU thousands of $$$ and a few days of driving cross country just to get legal so you can do your job, i bet youd be whinging too mate...
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:24 pm
by J_Dub
can farmers use angle grinders?
cut them guards a bit, and reduse the lift to 3" 7/8
just under 4" lift
no aurthority card needed, just a cert which is always the case
or bin the suzukis and do it like crumpy did it
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:26 pm
by J_Dub
getsum wrote:Sadam_Husain:
if it was gonna cos YOU thousands of $$$ and a few days of driving cross country just to get legal so you can do your job, i bet youd be whinging too mate...
thousands of dollars for what??
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:29 pm
by Sadam_Husain
getsum wrote:Sadam_Husain:
if it was gonna cos YOU thousands of $$$ and a few days of driving cross country just to get legal so you can do your job, i bet youd be whinging too mate...
yeah but the point is mate, whineing to everyone on here is about as effective as whineing to your yard full of cows
get onto you MP, federated farmers, the prime minister, the minister of transport, your city council, LTSA, Gay Rights, RSPCA and anyone else you can think of that can lobby on your behalf and effect some change to recognise and meet your needs
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:34 pm
by getsum
3 certs, fuel to and from chch for 3 vehicles...
we rang federated farmers today and a certifier i know quite well..weighed up our options,and have just (in the last hour)decided to deregister 2 of them,keep them farm only and one will be put back to standard form for road use...its just not worth the extra expense when we will most likely replace them next season anyway(usually send them to the wreckers)...no one buys 4x4s that have been used on farms...
id love to do it like crumpy....a nice oldschool hilux would be ideal
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:10 pm
by lincooln
Farm rego? No WoF needed? does this need a cert too? least its cheap and not de rego'd.
but its up to you.
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:14 pm
by Flash2004
Sadam_Husain wrote:getsum wrote:Sadam_Husain:
if it was gonna cos YOU thousands of $$$ and a few days of driving cross country just to get legal so you can do your job, i bet youd be whinging too mate...
yeah but the point is mate, whineing to everyone on here is about as effective as whineing to your yard full of cows
get onto you MP, federated farmers, the prime minister, the minister of transport, your city council, LTSA, Gay Rights, RSPCA and anyone else you can think of that can lobby on your behalf and effect some change to recognise and meet your needs
I'm surprised you didn't offer to put him on to your own contacts in gay rights? Nothing like a bit of the inside running, get in the back door and get a head start over the others...
Re: cert???
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:15 pm
by sibainmud
lincooln wrote:Farm rego? No WoF needed? does this need a cert too? least its cheap and not de rego'd.
but its up to you.
BINGO