conecting winch rope to hook

[new2zukes]

hi i have some synthetic rope with a stainless timbler and need to conect it to my hook some how does anyone have any ideas. i have tryed a shackle but it wont fit. and what sort of rating it may need. the winch is a warn m8000

[coxsy]

go see steel and tube an get at lifting chain joiner they are rated

[monstr]

Hi There ,If your hook has an eye the easiest way is to undo the splice remove the thimble ,thread the rope thogh the eye and re slice it without the thimble ,I know people will say you have to use a thimble but myself and a lot of others have been doing it this way for years doing winch challenges and i have yet to break a rope at the hook ..Cheers

[wopass]

go see steel and tube an get at lifting chain joiner HAMMERLOCKthey are rated

[coxsy]

more proof that i don't know everything thanks

[wopass]

more proof that i don't know everything thanks

hahha, took me a little while to remember what they were called to

[new2zukes]

went into a local store (wrightsens) they had hammerlocks in there but none of them were rated any higher than 1ton. i need to get some steel from steel and tube anyways so might have to take a trip down to whangerei now. what sort of rating would be suitable?

[curious_george]

I'd suggest a quick trip to Cookes if you're going to Whangerei - they'll have something that would suit you just fine. Hammerlocks can also be known as Chain Connectors.

http://www.cookes.co.nz/whangarei

As for what rating you're after, consider the following quick calculation

Assuming a vehicle weighing 2t.

2t vehicle stuck in deep mud (ground factor of 2) = 1t rolling resistance
lets assume the mud is on a hill of greater than 45 degrees (weight of vehicle x slope in degrees divided by 60. This works up to 44 degrees - 45 degrees plus, just add weight of vehicle) = 2t
incredibly, all 4 wheels are locked! (.25t per wheel station on vehicles under 5t) = 1t resistance
pull required = 4t
plus a small safety factor of 1/4 = 1t
Total pull required = 5t

This is a worse case scenario based on a vehicle weighing 2t. A hammerlock with a Working Load Limit of 3t would more than suffice (working load limits for terminal tackle (chains, hooks etc) can be safely doubled in the recovery role).

However, a more pertanant question to me would be what size loop is on the end of your rope, and what size hole is in your hook? You may find that a small hammerlock will not fit and you would be better off going by size. Also, ensure that the WLL of any hammerlock you choose to buy is at least half that of the rated line pull of your winch. This will ensure that you can't overload it, no matter what configuration (1:1, 2:1 etc) you are using.

Any questions, please ask

[darinz]

Bring the rope and hook down and come and see me in my office and I'll show you what to do. It is really easy and it won't cost you a thing. Like Monster I have been running plasma for years without any protection at the hook and have never broken or seen one break at the hook.

Call me if you want some help with it 0275 330637.

[4WDbits]

Synthetic rope has a recommended diameter for bends, loops etc which are widely ignored. Most like Darin and myself just wrap the rope around the hook pin a time or two and splice it back on itself. Some use lock stitches in the splice, I never have and never had any problems. Had problems with old woolly ropes braking, but thats another story.

[darinz]

Synthetic rope has a recommended diameter for bends, loops etc which are widely ignored. Most like Darin and myself just wrap the rope around the hook pin a time or two and splice it back on itself. Some use lock stitches in the splice, I never have and never had any problems. Had problems with old woolly ropes braking, but thats another story.

Exactly. It wears out in the first 10 -15m way before the tight bend at the hook becomes a problem!

[new2zukes]

will it be easy to splice if it is overbraided rope?

[darinz]

I haven't played with overbraid but there are others like Monster (steve) who use it so can advise better on how to splice it. The core inside is still the same so the practices that we all follow still apply. You will find that quite a few guys are now going back to a single braid rope as the over braid hasn't proven to be that durable.
Personally I don't use it and it isn't a cost thing, to get any rope done costs less than $2 per meter. I get 2 comps plus general use per rope before I retire it to a backup rope or it goes onto a support crews truck. My co-driver has a rope that was used for 3 cpmps and has now been on his truck for 2 years and it is still going strong. This 10mm Dynamica so not one of the cheap brands but you get what you pay for!

[monstr]

Hi ,I normally work the overbraid down the rope untill it sort of bunches up which leaves the Dynex exposed,I then just splice it onto my hook then work the overbraid back up the rope cut of any excess then tape the end ,As Darin has said myself and a few others are going back to rope without the overbraid ,Nothing wrong with the rope in normal condititions ,i just find that because of the angles that we have to winch at in some stages the overbraid will part company leaving the rope exposed,this happens when winching sideways and when the rope drags over rocks etc We have been using 8mm Dynex Dux 75 on a 2 ton safari in winch comps now for a few years and apart from when we have had a blonde moment we have not broken it ,I can usually get at least a years worth of comps out of 1 rope then its used as a club rope ..

[Sadam_Husain]

This is how my overbraid ropes been spliced, I didnt splice it myself so dont ask me how to do it

[wopass]

I get 2 comps plus general use per rope before I retire it to a backup rope or it goes onto a support crews truck. My co-driver has a rope that was used for 3 cpmps and has now been on his truck for 2 years and it is still going strong. This 10mm Dynamica so not one of the cheap brands but you get what you pay for!

I can usually get at least a years worth of comps out of 1 rope then its used as a club rope ..

thats the reason i went with the dux overbraid, if i look after it, it will last many times longer

and as steve said, its the same to splice as normal synthetic rope you just have to peel the O.B back,

or use a hammerlock

or better again is take it back to carolyn and get her to do it for you ,smak a bigger thimble on it she is after all the best and you will end up with a primo job

[wopass]

This is how my overbraid ropes been spliced, I didnt splice it myself so dont ask me how to do it

thats the factory machine splice from where they make it over in nordisk or sweeden,germany or whereever the factory is

[darinz]

I get 2 comps plus general use per rope before I retire it to a backup rope or it goes onto a support crews truck. My co-driver has a rope that was used for 3 cpmps and has now been on his truck for 2 years and it is still going strong. This 10mm Dynamica so not one of the cheap brands but you get what you pay for!

I can usually get at least a years worth of comps out of 1 rope then its used as a club rope ..

thats the reason i went with the dux overbraid, if i look after it, it will last many times longer

and as steve said, its the same to splice as normal synthetic rope you just have to peel the O.B back,

or use a hammerlock

or better again is take it back to carolyn and get her to do it for you ,smak a bigger thimble on it she is after all the best and you will end up with a primo job

I'm very conservative with the life of my rope. Because of the sponsorship deal I have I cuse it a lot less without worrying and ensure that I always have a really good rope on. If I was paying retail I would probably get twice the use I currently do. I've only ever broken one rope and that was due to a sharp stump that we didn't see and the rope was only 3 winches old. (it still had the blue poly coating on it!)
It is quite amazing how much strength the rope still has even when it appears to be very worn. I've had old ropes (10mm) and ones that look like fluffy wool were still breaking at over 5.5 ton. Take into account that when new this only had about 8ton (due to splice) that is a pretty good result. And it is still more than a new 8mm wire rope!

Overbraid is good but experience has shown that it isn't lasting as long in the real world as expected so is the extra cost worth it? Another option is to get a section polyester tube and have that on the rope that can be shifted to a wear point (rock tree etc) and that will protect the rope just as well. No good for comps but for general use a really good option.

[new2zukes]

well i have made my mind up and have just been and bought a hammerlock its a 5.4t one and its in nice shiney RED:) thanks all for your info.


martin