To Lift or not to lift, that is the question

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To Lift or not to lift, that is the question

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RJ asked me the question about my Paj whether it was lifted at all to get the 33" Buckshots under.... And yea they are 33" up from 31" standard. Now I have my own opinions about this and reasons for those opinions, but obviously opinions do diverge on this particular subject, christ it even diverges in our Family :D.

So I'm going to fill in my preferences and why and others can throw their 2 bob worth! :mrgreen:

There is an opinion that if yer tires aren't rubbing they ain't big enough. I have a slightly different view on this which goes like this: If your tires aren't rubbing you've got too much lift! :)

Body and chassis lifts for mine are a product of wheelbase. Got a long wheel base you need height, swb not so necessary.

The critical angle is what I call the interference angle, I've heard it called sommat else but can't for the life of me remember what it was. Anyway its the angle that defines how big a bump you can climb over without bellying and it's a bit like entry and exit angles. Not so important for Swamp Chargers but very important for Rock Crawlers

Now me, the critical things that I keep in mind is CoG, Good old centre of gravity and tipping moment. I look after the former by not lifting anything more than I have too, so my Paj is pretty much standard except for a slight torsion bar wind, even with 33s on and I look after the latter by keeping my front antiswaybar in place and look after articulation by taking off the rear one. That stops the heaviest bit, the motor, from leaning over too far. That gives me lots of stability around the sides of hills even with a bloody great tin can attached to the top.

And I can get away with it because it's a Short wheel base and with 33s on, it gives me a reasonably respectable interference angle for climbing over banks and drop-offs...... But of course I don't go Rock crawling in the thing. :) and if I did she'd have hydraulic or air controlled suspension on the front at least and stretched trailing arms with coilovers on the back

So in summary, that's why the Paj has no bodylift, only a little suspension lift (so I can feel the tires occasionally) and no rear swaybar.... and of course chassis rails shortened as much as possible to maximise entry and exit angles.
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yorick wrote:The critical angle is what I call the interference angle, I've heard it called sommat else but can't for the life of me remember what it was.


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lilpigzuk wrote:
yorick wrote:The critical angle is what I call the interference angle, I've heard it called sommat else but can't for the life of me remember what it was.


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Its interesting you should come up with all that. I was under the impression that I wouldn't fit 33's under the guards unless I used the hydraulic lift, otherwise they would rub. Hence I was going to do a 40mm body lift and then fit 33's. But possibly I don't have to panic.
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RJ wrote:Its interesting you should come up with all that. I was under the impression that I wouldn't fit 33's under the guards unless I used the hydraulic lift, otherwise they would rub. Hence I was going to do a 40mm body lift and then fit 33's. But possibly I don't have to panic.

Don't quote me on this because i have never owned one but i seem to remember reading that different pajero's have different sized body lifts factory.... does that make sense? so while one person may fit 33's standard another with a different engine may not?? i'm sure some wise guy will inform us, or its probably obvious if you own one.

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WACKO wrote:what engine are you running? the 3.5 petrol and 2.8 diesel have a bodylift over the smaller engined pajs. on my 3ltr i have had 35s, with a 50mm bodylift and about 50 spring lift. but it also needed the front bumper corners taken off and a bit of massaging of the back of the wheel arch to fit them on the front. if you have either the 3.5 or 2.8 you may just need the suspension lift. but it can be done...
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Rangi is spot on. 30mm was the factory body lift.

Also remember some 33's measure at least 1 inch larger than others, BFG being one of the bigger ones. Offset also makes a huge difference. On Pajero offset I could fit narrow (10.5") 33" BFG M/T's with no suspension lift and factory body lift. But The same tyre on a Landcruiser offset would rub at the rear of the front wheel arch. I can in fact run heavy chains on my 33's with only very minimal rub on big bumps.

RJ, get some 33's and try them. Depending on the size of them will determine wether you will need a body lift or not. You can be sure that it will not take too much effort to fit, quite possibly no body lift if the correct rims are used.
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I have a set of Safari rims 15 x 7 (steel) and am thinging of simex 32 or 33.
I have the 2.8 diesel swb pajero stock standard, apart from custom bars front and rear any advice on what size will fit?
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Simex 32's are about 33". Safari rims are about right for a Pajero so they should be fine

being SImex though the side lugs may cause issues with rubbing that a normal MT doesn't.
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RJ wrote:Its interesting you should come up with all that. I was under the impression that I wouldn't fit 33's under the guards unless I used the hydraulic lift, otherwise they would rub. Hence I was going to do a 40mm body lift and then fit 33's. But possibly I don't have to panic.


My wagon doesn't have the the liftable suspension, so I don't know if that means the suspension is set slightly higher out of the box. The body mount bushes however aren't that thick so there doesn't appear to be a body lift, factory or otherwise.

NJs comment about the tyres is bang-on, 33" Buckshots are actually 32.3 if memory serves me and 33" Simex ETs are about 34" so not all are created equal. I just happen to like Buckshots, they perform really well and I can get them at a good price at my local tyre shop: $1160 for four 12.50x15s fitted and balanced on the standard Pajero Mag Rims, that's $200 less than a set of 33" Bighorns and they don't stick out past the factory flares.

Need speedo adjustment tho cos they're over the 5% threshold.
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I have a suspension lift, done before I got the truck, and I have lowered my lift by about 2 inches, down from 6" to 4". There are many different reasons for lift, I understand the lift was done on my truck to keep it out of water, as it came up from the South Island, and the last owner did a lot of river trips.
I will usually do a 2-4" lift to help with articulation and clearance.
Every one will have an opinion, and I guess it comes down to what is right for the type of driving you do.

Hey, Yorick, when we come up to Thommo's, it will be interesting to compare my BigHorns to your Buckshots. That said, different trucks/drivers and setups won't make a fair comparison, but it will still be fun. The missus is all happy for us to come up over winter too :D 8)
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