Stop Verge 4wding

[lincooln]

I was having a drive round on Sunday and happened to go down Ararimu Valley road out NorWest Auckland. I noticed a mud tracks on the road first of all that lead from the verge.

Just a bit further up I saw a couple of 4wd's, a older Hilux, lifted, 33"s etc, White, and a Blue SWB Pajero, lift and so on, with lifestyle 4wd's spare wheel cover, as well. I turned around and came back and asked if they guy in the Hilux needed any help, and he said he was fine just getting the strop put from under the car, I went and parked up next to the Pajero and had a quick 'chat' o the guy. He said I should have a run through there,so I said I wouldn't as I was in a club, I now the locals complain about it (every time someone 4wd's in there they have there phone lines cut or damaged as the lines are in the tracks.

These guys got quite upset, so I left before it got out of hand. I know it may not seem Like a big deal but at one point it got really bad just driving down that road in a 4wd as the land owners would abuse you if you happened to be in a 4wd. So my club, NorWest, said we will help educate people that there are better, more legal places to go, and are better off joining a club.

These trucks were set up well, better than the average, so I would assume that that they know a fair bit about 4wding. But what they are doing is making the rest of us look bad, and this is why people get so anti 4wder's.

so basically the whole point of this waffle is to tell you guys, to tell others not to go on the verges of the roads, It may look fun. But its not legal and as in the case of Ararimu Valley road, if the locals loose phone, they have no internet and no cell coverage in that part either, so they are f*cked in an emergency. So come on, be sensible.

Just cause its their doesn't mean you have to use it.

Cheers
Lincoln

[kbushnz]

Agree 100%

Calvin

[phraza]

Yep, agree!

Been on it once, before i knew it was not allowed. No need to be stupid... could be an expensive decision

[Stage1V8]

Seen the carnage up there and elsewhere, and seen the dirty looks from the locals. Agree 100% with you.

[PeterVahry]

Lincoln, thanks for trying to talk with those drivers. The Rodney District Council are happy to follow up any registration details of vehicles observed driving on the roadside verges along the forest edge.
A discrete photo would provide additional evidence. The NZFWDA worked with the Council earlier this year to successfully lower the incidence of such driving there and will help again if needed.

[Moriarty]

Good on yer, Linc who looks like skid....

That's pretty much what happened in the Chch area, not verge driving, but driving is silly places and upsetting locals.

Its was also the driving force that made our club change its name.

Its also one of the reasons for my thread in another part of ORE, JOIN A CLUB..... driver education, like minded blokes (and bloke-esses)having responsible fun, and LANDOWNER education, by US demonstrating to THEM that we do care about their lives and livelihoods.

Well done mate!!

[lincooln]

thanks bob mate, yea I posted this as I was hoping either they would see it or some one who new them, or any one else who has done it. and yes it is all about education.

We try to show ourselves as being responsible, and then you get the idiots that just dont listen, it happens in everything I know. worse part was that the trucks were capable and they knew what they were doing generally, and they knew they shouldn't be doing it. Well I cant see any other reason to get agro.

at least the land owners know its not our club members who are doing it, well i hope they aren't the ones.

[Moriarty]

Skid-clone, IF we all are club members with club signage on our trucks, the word WILL get around that we are courteous and carefully responsible 4WDers. Then more doors, (gates) will open for us.

[skid]

Skid-clone, IF we all are club members with club signage on our trucks, the word WILL get around that we are courteous and carefully responsible 4WDers. Then more doors, (gates) will open for us.

FFS Bob, enough of the name calling, it makes you look like a stupid old man with nothing better to do. It was fun at the time but now you're just being a cock.


My personal opinion on driving round with club signage on is that it won't make you look good with the community if you are seen doing good things, unfortunately 4wders have a bad rep and it will long continue even with our efforts to make us look good.

Folks who see a 4wder doing wrong will immediately remember the one 4wd with all the stickers etc or because it was the biggest 4wd there and stood out the most.

rant over, lets continue to be wonderful courteous 4wders, but it will be a long hard road

SKID

[turoa]

Skid-clone, IF we all are club members with club signage on our trucks, the word WILL get around that we are courteous and carefully responsible 4WDers. Then more doors, (gates) will open for us.

FFS Bob, enough of the name calling, it makes you look like a stupid old man with nothing better to do. It was fun at the time but now you're just being a cock.


My personal opinion on driving round with club signage on is that it won't make you look good with the community if you are seen doing good things, unfortunately 4wders have a bad rep and it will long continue even with our efforts to make us look good.

Folks who see a 4wder doing wrong will immediately remember the one 4wd with all the stickers etc or because it was the biggest 4wd there and stood out the most.

rant over, lets continue to be wonderful courteous 4wders, but it will be a long hard road

SKID

You're a bit tense tonight lincooln

[lincooln]

well you dont have to worry about our club with sinage etc. its near;y been run into the ground and we are just trying to breath new life into it. Yay new stickers

and Bob...shut up

Skid-clone, IF we all are club members with club signage on our trucks, the word WILL get around that we are courteous and carefully responsible 4WDers. Then more doors, (gates) will open for us.

FFS Bob, enough of the name calling, it makes you look like a stupid old man with nothing better to do. It was fun at the time but now you're just being a cock.


My personal opinion on driving round with club signage on is that it won't make you look good with the community if you are seen doing good things, unfortunately 4wders have a bad rep and it will long continue even with our efforts to make us look good.

Folks who see a 4wder doing wrong will immediately remember the one 4wd with all the stickers etc or because it was the biggest 4wd there and stood out the most.

rant over, lets continue to be wonderful courteous 4wders, but it will be a long hard road

SKID

You're a bit tense tonight lincooln

probably from the 5:30 starts, or maybe its bob

[Stage1V8]

This conversation is starting to get confused.

[Moriarty]

This conversation is starting to get confused.

Not really, underlying it all is still the perennial problem all outdoor sports have.

A few fukwit hoons giving the much larger majority a bad name, and how to combat it.

When I was an active NZDA member, we had poachers (still do!!) and trespassers (still do!!)

Now I am a 4WD club member. I find that this same principle applies. the River rats in Chch, verge drivers up North, general dickheadedness is a universal problem besetting us all.

The best we can do is to present us responsible selves as best we can, If it means asking permission of a farmer to use an nun formed road, well, so be it, we can make sure that he is aware that it is indeed an unformed road, and legal access to all, what does it cost us? Our message gets across, we get across the land.

Ohhhhh and thanks, Skid.

[Stage1V8]

Not what I was referring to I know very well the situation. Read my earlier post

I was referring to the fact that different people were answering others' replies:
1. We had you calling Lincoln "Skid-clone"
2. Skid chimes in, taking the message wrong (understably )
3. Turoa comes in saying Lincoln is tense, when it was Skid replying
4. Lincoln replies to Turoa, as though it were him that made Skid's remark
5. And now you teaching me how to suck eggs.

[skid]

Not what I was referring to I know very well the situation. Read my earlier post

I was referring to the fact that different people were answering others' replies:
1. We had you calling Lincoln "Skid-clone" Coz he's an old retired war veteran with nothing better to do with his spare time
2. Skid chimes in, taking the message wrong (understably ) nope, I got it right, just wanted grandad to know he was being a dick
3. Turoa comes in saying Lincoln is tense, when it was Skid replying 2s digging at me, 2s winding
4. Lincoln replies to Turoa, as though it were him that made Skid's remark lincoln was lost, didn't work out 2s was digging at me
5. And now you teaching me how to suck eggs.

raw eggs are horrible to suck, hope this clears up the confusion for all of you

Ohhhhh and thanks, Skid.

you're welcome bob

thanks for the beer the other day grandad

[lincooln]

This conversation is starting to get confused.

Not really, underlying it all is still the perennial problem all outdoor sports have.

A few fukwit hoons giving the much larger majority a bad name, and how to combat it.

When I was an active NZDA member, we had poachers (still do!!) and trespassers (still do!!)

Now I am a 4WD club member. I find that this same principle applies. the River rats in Chch, verge drivers up North, general dickheadedness is a universal problem besetting us all.

The best we can do is to present us responsible selves as best we can, If it means asking permission of a farmer to use an nun formed road, well, so be it, we can make sure that he is aware that it is indeed an unformed road, and legal access to all, what does it cost us? Our message gets across, we get across the land.

Ohhhhh and thanks, Skid.

yeap, indeed

[baxter]

so basically the whole point of this waffle is to tell you guys, to tell others not to go on the verges of the roads, It may look fun. But its not legal and as in the case of Ararimu Valley road, if the locals loose phone...

Cheers for that - I was unaware it was not legal. I've done it occasionally (though not when the tracks start to look cut-up, or near people's houses) and shall now refrain if it's not legal.

So my club, NorWest, said we will help educate people that there are better, more legal places to go, and are better off joining a club.

That's a positive move.

Sadly down here there isn't really a lot of legal places to go now, so problems with people 4x4ing in stupid places will simply keep occurring until this changes.

[lincooln]

Sadly down here there isn't really a lot of legal places to go now, so problems with people 4x4ing in stupid places will simply keep occurring until this changes.

Where are you in the country? I know up here there are places to go, just people don't ask, or want to take trips any where. and the of course people that aren't in clubs have even more limited access to places.

Cheers for that - I was unaware it was not legal. I've done it occasionally (though not when the tracks start to look cut-up, or near people's houses) and shall now refrain if it's not legal.

No Problem, glad I could help.

[baxter]

Ahh sorry, I didn't notice I didn't have a location on this forum

Dunedin.

There's no where close, and the council have closed a couple tracks that were here and wondered why people have started doing dunes etc
I hardly use my Niva off-road nowadays, mostly through a lack of casual access areas here.

There is a club here I've been meaning to join for ages, they open the club area once a month - but for me it unfortunately almost always falls on the same date I'm helping run or competing in motorsport.


Besides clubs are only half the answer - there will always be less responsible 4x4 owners who won't join a club etc, and if the local authority has closed all the areas they can play it they will naturally play in areas where they're doing harm (often without even the knowledge that they're doing such). Not condoning such, but it's just human nature, and imho it should be the job of local authorities to manage such as a valid and popular recreation, not just close areas because it's too hard etc.

[Moriarty]

Baxter, can you get into that area north and east of Milton? the forestry block, lots of places down the South Coast, from memory??

I understand yr desire for casual play areas, they ARE hard to find, places like Piano Flat Rd and the Nevis road take some planning, as well as the Serpentine, and after the recent snows, may be a bit tough now.

And Clubs are actually MORE than half the answer, for its the untied voice that helps access along. You know the old story,

United we drive, divided we don't get access.....


PS, edit your preferences and signature to reflect your location and admit to driving a Lada..... Preferences and profiles are found in the private message section.

[baxter]

Yes I know the area, and have played there years ago before it was mostly all gated off. There is indeed some good bits and bobs there. There is still bits you can get into, but I suspect they're not really supposed to be public access (I could be wrong though?).

I tend to avoid forestry areas even it looks like perfectly legal access as I'm involved in organising motorsport here which relies heavily on a good relationship with forestry companies to get access to gravel roads. Hence I generally avoid such areas unless I know it's totally legit access.


PS - cheers greatly for the directions to preferences - all I could find was "My Account" > "Edit" which has e-mail and time-zone and that's about it

[Pico42]

I understand yr desire for casual play areas, they ARE hard to find, places like Piano Flat Rd and the Nevis road take some planning, as well as the Serpentine, and after the recent snows, may be a bit tough now.

And closed for the winter. All three roads are closed for the winter months by the Territorial Authorities.

[Moriarty]

I understand yr desire for casual play areas, they ARE hard to find, places like Piano Flat Rd and the Nevis road take some planning, as well as the Serpentine, and after the recent snows, may be a bit tough now.

And closed for the winter. All three roads are closed for the winter months by the Territorial Authorities.

I would have thought that Piano Flat would still be open right up to Canton Rd, where it does the steep climb up to Whitcombe?
Still could fish the waikaia stream though, what a wonderful stretch of water.

there must still be other places, Pico, close to Dunedin where even a lada could get dirty safely?

[Pico42]

[quote="Moriarty
I would have thought that Piano Flat would still be open right up to Canton Rd, where it does the steep climb up to Whitcombe?
Still could fish the waikaia stream though, what a wonderful stretch of water.

there must still be other places, Pico, close to Dunedin where even a lada could get dirty safely?[/quote]

The locked gate is at the turn-off to Canton Road. I took Piano Flat to refer to the road over the tops. That track has several common names.

So yes, you can still drive to the start of the hill climb.